i have like… 10 pictures, and want to make a little animated “slide show”, having the pictures scroll by and/or fade in/out or something like that… is there any javascript stuff that does this?

Sounds more like a job for Flash.

i would like to avoid flash, if possible

At least, it is in Internet Explorer

hm… i never did anything in flash oh dear…

anybody know php here?

yes. Quite a few people her know php. ‘here’

##php is a whole channel dedicated to it.

where i’m banned lol XD

well, there’s probably a reason behind that

you should probably try to avoid doing what you did there in here then

hey, I’m creating a small group for some people to exchange ideas. Is there any better way than yahoo groups to do it?

just a simple question a loop that needs a certain condition loops until it meets it…how can i delay the loop after checking those things but wait for a minute or two…

Anicca, a mailing list? a web forum?

an IRC channel?

usenet newsgroups… orkut(yuck) etc.

I like mailing lists myself, it’s usually easier to attach files and stuff

I like mailing lists because i forget I’m a member of stuff.. emails remind me.

can anyone help?

W_work, a group would be cool, but yahoo is kinda sucky

Wiz_KeeD, are you looking for the sleep() function?

make a loop wait one 2 minutes before looping again except that

have you checked the php5 manual for the sleep() function?

2 minutes is kinda long to sleep a script.

why so mikedub?

except that since if it goes on for too long it says maximum executon time bleah blah

I’d go with a NNTP group - a Usenet in miniature - and set up a web frontend. There are plenty of free ones.

it will time out if you don’t adjust your php settings.

Wiz_KeeD, well there’s a sleep_micro as well

sleep_micro?

Windrose, its gotta be private, is that option provate?

oh, yes. Much MORE private than Yahoo groups which, after all, isn’t under your control. It does require some knowledge of system administration, and some work.

anyone?

did you search the PHP documentation for ’sleep_micro’?

i searched in function list what’s it different?

and what did you find?

nothing for sleep_miro micro*

you certain? Hm. Can you see ‘usleep’?

that es yes*

well … perhaps that’s worth looking at?

same shit but microseconds instead of seconds….

ok. So you *don’t* want the loop to pause for a number of useconds or seconds?

minutes maybe half an hour

yes … ? And WHY can’t you use sleep?

exceeds the maximum execution time of the script adn gvies out error

naturally. You can’t do anything about that - that’s up to the browser.

actually it’s not but anyway XD any other way?

it is. No.

why would you want to sleep a script for a half hour?

You need to rethink your design. HTTP isn’t designed to sit around doing nothing for half an hour. Run a seperate server / cronjob which does the half hourly process. Have the script run by the webserver just check its status.

it’s a script that gets the html source of a page and it needs to check it from time to time o look for some changes

now, if you want to check a status, pause, then check a status again … there are several solutions. You can’d do it with PHP alone.

then what?

see Dorward’s suggestion.

like Dorward suggested, I’m betting writing a script that does the job you want, and then using cron to time the script would work best for you.

i want to do exactly waht you said… hm..

It /is/ feasible to write a ‘ajax’ script which sends a request at timed intervals, but it’s not exactly a sane method for *that* purpose.

Windrose, is a google group cool to create for a private forum?

I’ve never used them. They are, or were, interfaces to NNTP but hardly private.

what I mean is, can I make it so only a certain number of people can read the info? it cant be accessed publicly

I don’t know enough about Google groups, but I doubt it. Like Yahoo groups they rely on trusting the provider, for one thing.

well thats cool, its not as if were exchangeing credit card numbers or anything just general stuff that Id rather not have the public reading its just that, I thought google groups used usenet, and that was totally public

Google groups uses NNTP as their backend. Part of Google groups Usenet; part of them are - afaik - their own groups. however, I can’t tell you whether you can create your *own* group with Google Groups, and set it to be ‘private’.

ah I think you can, cheers karma+ Windrose

she gave you karma, quick, do something good to get rid of it again

That wouldn’t be very gentlemanly, now would it?

well if you die with karma, you keep being reincarnated instead of going to nirvana, don’t you know? ok, I’ll stop being silly now

well, see, I have a problem with this Nirvana thing … I’ve made *several* clarification requests, but I have still to get a properly referenced answer on the question of virgins …

Windrose - please can you restate your question for the benefit of me ?

Windrose: there’s also the gmane.com groups as well

you wish

oh

ah, but I have no such needs - and the OQ left.

there I was thinking I may be a philosophise

just for future reference

*grins* we run our own nntp server. It’s far easier

*chuckle*

Is there a way to bring up the IE javascript debugger (visual studio or whatever) even if there is no error in your javascript?

http://www.skreemr.com

hello if I’m to choose a web framework or need to know what modeling technologies I should use or be aware of how should I start ! provided that I’m a bit new to development, IRC, got some knowledge of HTML/CSS a little PHP got a very general vague idea of what MVC is or what ORM stands for, but unaware of the point all that should start may be in a need to organize all of this on my mind so I can put it to good use any help is greatly appreciated

deciding on what technologies/software to use depends primarily on two factors: 1) what you’re trying to accomplish, 2) what you already know and are comfortable using without knowning the #1, it’s pretty difficult to make any suggestions at all are you looking for software to use in planning your project, or what exactly ? and what is the project itself ? I have no idea about that, but perhaps just include a small error intentionally, at the end of your code, so it will always pop up

trying to aquire the needed knowledge to be a webdeveloper but the problem is now adays development means a lot of information I couldn’t aquire within few monthes cause now there’s something like the frameworks which means you need to understand customed code while you’re already trying to learn how to code I’m more like a cave guy who has been distracted a way from his computer because of some reasons beyond his control

if you are just starting, then you should either decide if you want to be a programmer or a developer to start with. there are many CMS and web application frameworks (e.g. WebGUI) that would need little more than you making a personalised html template on the other hand if you want your focus to be on programming, pick a language (PHP, Perl, Ruby, Python, ASP, etc.) and start reading over some basic web scripts

what do you mean programmer or developer !! shouldn’t you be a programmer to be able to develop some software !

what I mean is that at the start, if you want to reuse other people’s code, you don’t need to know any programming

well in my case I can’t do that I can’t just use a framework of the many available ones using a mouse to administer etc etc that’s not me

e.g. WebGUI is a complete framework. it has around a hundred user-contributed modules on top of its own 30 or so modules. if you can set up the application (quite easy), you have a web site. add a template and you have a personal web site

but also I couldn’t be able to handle customed code due to many factors like that fact that I’m missing the knowledge of technologies etc etc beside the fact I’ve never been a CS student

so if you are wanting to code hands on, then first step is to pick a programming language, then just start practicing

already did and I’m with php 5 now

hello. i am creating a custom Google map, which has a method GDownloadUrl(xmlfile.xml … etc) how do I make it so that I can call the clear that specific file from cache…. in other words.. I want to make sure that GDownloadUrl calls with no-cache all the time… the thing is.. i don’t have access to the GDownloadUrl from google… any suggestions?

don’t let not being a CS student worry you … I’ve seen numerous CS grads (both university and various technical schools) come out without knowing much at all about web development or programming

used to read about python + django but couldn’t even start using them together due to some real life problems so now I’m focused on PHP

the HTTP headers are up to the server in question, so there’s not really any way to do that, short of having your server proxy the original site, which isn’t good if you have more than a few users

yeah but almost all of them at least those who I’ve met seem to aquire something I’m always missing which’s allowing them to join the strings together something I don’t know what is it !

how much HTML/CSS do you know to go along with learning PHP ?

well let’s assume I know XHTML/CSS with PHP and very basic Javascript “which is not very far from the truth”

in this channel we strongly stress learning to code cleanly and by-the-specification (validated) HTML/CSS

how can I call the file again? and replace the cache? maybe?

also, read the topic of this channel about XHTML, it isn’t usually what you want to use

actually didn’t play with CSS big time but I’m comfort with HTML

I mean… perhaps I can call it again and replace the file in cache before google function kicks in ?

caching is done by the browser, and the HTTP headers from the web server instruct the browser on how it *should* be caching

actually yeah I read the topic before even joining the channel

perhaps it would be possible to set a no-caching HTTP header and a redirect, but I’m not sure as in, from your server’s HTTP headers, have your iframe (or however it is being embedded) load up a redirect from your server to the other. but I don’t know if that works for not caching caching is a very obnoxious thing most of the time, and browsers often don’t behave as expected

I hope I’m not flooding the channel

http://foo.com/?id=113#anchor but it will reload from the web server if the URL is: http://foo.com/?id=113 which is quite bizarre, as both URLs are to the same page you’re not flooding, and you’re even on-topic =p~ this channel often goes way off-topic, and unless people are being rude, nobody cares

I’m just trying to find an answer to something I don’t even know what it is, I’m just assuming that it’s the flow of all the theories and how to use MVC VS other styles or approaches may be it’s early for me to worry about MVC and the like

for large projects it is definitely a good idea to plan it out, but when you’re just learning, your best bet is to simply start coding by example

that’s exactly the problem I’m trying to be creative not to depend on just the examples, trying but blindly thinking there’s something missing

I have found that the best learning-motivator is having an actual, tangible “something” you want to accomplish. e.g. make yourself a small web site that gives you statistics about your computer, or a small poetry site for a friend (that’s what I did first)

does anybody here use OpenAds, aka PHPAdsNew?

not myself

I found my friends talking about alot of concepts, the knowledge I’m trying to aquire is huge !! I don’t know how to do all this in parallel

Samus_Aran, Im wondering how to rotate ads, and monitor the results OpenAds seems to only let you rotate ads of identical size

you don’t. you just pick away at it. if you’re using PHP, for example, you’ll want to get into MySQL most likely, as it provides a nice interface for searching/filtering

yes I know but everyone around even in real life told me off doing so, cause frameworks saves you time/effort of writing HTML etc etc

but for starting out, just set yourself a small, attainable goal and proceed to stumble along getting there. hands-on experience is the best kind as I said at the start, using premade frameworks vs. doing your own is a personal thing. if you’re going to be coding your own stuff, I strongly urge you to build up a library of reusable functions

I even understand Mysql and using queries in my day to day digging for information

that way each new site you build by hand, it will take less time

Samus_Aran, how do you manage your ads, if you do?

well then you’re halfway there. PHP makes it very easy to query MySQL [and other databases]

yeah I understand what you mean by reusable functions I even used postgresql

I don’t currently have any ads, sorry

hi, i have seen some websites have thumbnails, when you click on them, the full image appaears over the site (the image grows, smoothly animated) how is this done please, i have seen quite a few sites use it.

that’s typical actually hence I told you about my tries with django etc let’s just get past this what would you do next

reusable functions often means it takes an extra 20% of the time to complete a given page or whatever, but in the long run it will save lots of time. I’ve made large sites using huge blocks of code in individual pages. it isn’t worth it. the next site you work on, you have almost nothing to reuse

I mean let’s think as if I already made the reusable block of code

http://www.htmlgoodies.com/beyond/reference/article.php/3472881 heh

as I said, pick a small web site objective and just build it. “practice makes perfect” and all that (well, practice makes better)

Hasn’t HTML Googies died yet?

ok then

may I message you a URL ?

yes sure

What a dreadful page. Read http://www.mnot.net/cache_docs/ if you want to know about caching.

guys, how do I rotate my banner ads and monitor the clicks?

use serverside scripting you can do a javascript embeding you can use an iframe and you can use a plain include

do you know of a script? Since I cant script

Anicca, the easiest thing is to use two arrays and a random number look up the baner and the url to show but this doesn’t do tracking

I found this http://clickaider.com/ I found this a href=”http://clickaider.com/”http://clickaider.com//a

How would one describe a small website that exists simply to present information about a company?

phamplet

I don’t suppose anyone has a link to a basic cookie authentication system in php tutorial. I am having a trouble with my logic.

`html style

Found for HTML 4.01 - style - http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/present/styles.html#edef-STYLE

Does anyone know if there is a channel where I can ask some questions about WSDL?

`css import

Nothing found for CSS 2 - import

`css @import

Found for CSS 2 - @import - http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/cascade.html#x5

aaroncampbell, there’s no specific channel for WSDL as far as i’m aware.

http://www.pastebin.ca/692399 can anyone assist me with trouble shooting why it is not loading a php file, http://www.npelem.com/cal_test.php is the page using that code

Definitely not that I can find (with wsdl or web service in the name or description), but I thought maybe there was a channel that did it, and didn’t have it in the name.

nm I found it, it was the post, I needed get

is it OT for this channel?

aaroncampbell, i’d imagine so - but then, off-topic discussion isn’t frowned upon anyway Read as, you’ve got nothing to lose

sections of WSDL. I’m trying to find out if all parts are required, or if there is a way to specify which ones are, etc.

I have a WSDL that I’m redoing, and someone has the only part as a complex type…that complex type is simply 4 elements with standard types, with both minOccurs and maxOccurs set to 1 At first glance I thought it was a waste, but then I was wondering if the part tag was not required, and they did that to make sure all fields were supplied

anyone know how to clear the line in Firefox ? the standard Unix Ctrl+U doesn’t work, that is bound to View Source for some unfathomable reason

the line?

web form lines, URL lines, etc.

^Home, ^End+shift

so 6 keys and a strain on the wrist is the only way ? I don’t understand why Firefox emulates Windows shortcuts rather than Unix ones almost all GTK+ apps support Ctrl+U for clearing text =/

Samus_Aran, because when you’re writing a cross-platform app you’ve got to make a decision as to whether the app should be inconsistant with the operating system or with versions of itself under different operating systems. Because it’s impossible to do both.

http://www.area755.com/CoolPics.php?page=extreme-japanese-vans http://www.commandlineidiot.com/blog/2007/linux-users-are-all-crazy-fundamentalists/

Sounds like he needs debian

Yeppers.

He also doesn’t seem to know what a joke is.

Hmm?

Hah

it is far from impossible to do both… you have Mac-styled keybidings on Mac, Windows style keybindings on Windows and Unix style keybindings on Unix. how is that impossible or even difficult ?

Folks, is there a way to have a multi-line select box in which you can select multiple entries without holding the Control key?

with Javascript, yes. otherwise not

Samus_Aran, you obviously didn’t read what I said - you can be consistant within the App (but not the OS) or with the OS (and not the App) The firefox developers chose to be consistant within the App *shrug*

and being conistent with the O/S is far more sensible. people go between apps constantly, but rarely go between operating systems — and when they do, they expect some things will be different

Samus_Aran, really? And what evidence do you have for this assertion? Personally I use several diffent operating systems daily, but use (mostly) the same apps.

Opera lets you choose right in the menu whether you want Windows or Unix style shortcuts I don’t see why Firefox can’t do the same just as easily just have two key configs to choose from. a rather basic operation

Because there’s a conspiracy amongst the Firefox devs to make you complain in random IRC channels

Samus_Aran, have some code for it offhand ?

okidokey

:-(\

using a small java applet or flash movie to simulate AJAX using sockets we can easily have cross-domain AJAX (cross-browser too)

… tobins2, I hope that was sarcasm.

not at all

Oh dear.

Why do we want cross-domain AJAX? Also, Ajax, isn’t it?

i don’t, personally, but some people do, no… AJAX

Sounds like a security (and usablility) nightmare

Hmm. “AJAX and PHP”, “Professional Ajax”, “Ajax in Action” “Ajax Design Patterns”

you’re the one who chose to correct me…

I wasn’t “correcting” you, I was asking you if it’s Ajax/AJAX “isn’t it?” wasn’t there for show.

i think it’s supposed to be AJAX because it’s an acronym, but you could use Ajax i guess

http://weblogs.java.net/blog/arungupta/archive/2007/04/ajax_vs_ajax_aj.html

like most computer terms that start as an acronym sounding like a word, they eventually fall into common enough usage to be used as a word

for example?

WINE is now Wine, The GIMP is now GIMP and almost to Gimp, etc.

hehe Wine is Not an Emulator

it is an emulator, but not a “windows exe emulator”

It near enough meets the definition…

though it can be used to compile native Unix apps from Win32 source code

it runs natively because it’s x86, right? that’s why they don’t call it an emulator

it translates Win32 API calls into Unix libc/x11 ones and is rather close to completion these days. very few fixme’s out there when running most apps… used to get dozens of pages of fixme’s on an average app

CSS still doesn’t work too smoothly.

what type of CSS are you speaking of ?

Counter Strike Source

damn, there really are too many CSS acronyms. Half-Life 2 runs very well. haven’t tried CS

I haven’t tried for a few months, perhaps it’s been updated…

do you need to do lots of configuration to use Half-Life 2?

it is under extremely active development surprisingly active. Wine dev almost stopped a while back

Users of advertisement-skipping technology are essentially engaged in theft of resources.” Haha

haha

I use my hosts file and Apache to skip ads, but only ones that are interfering with my browsing (e.g. ones that take 45 seconds to load and prevent the page from displaying)

first of all that’s only one thing

So if I used a browser that doesn’t support javaScript i’m a thief too?

second of all, that’s not clear

What’s the proper way to acknowledge your inspiration for a particular layout/design?

a bottle of scotch?

lol…

Personally I use Adblock Plus with a huge filterset It’s actually disconcerting when I see an ad these days.

CSS has way too many different acronyms. I was thinking of content scrambling system and cascading style sheets, but there are lots of others like closed source software and so on

But then, i’ve never actually visited a site from an advertisement ever.

yeah right

yeah, CSS is like PDA

you’re saying you’ve NEVER clicked an ad?

I am saying that.

LIES

How on earth would you know?

you must be a newbie maybe you just started using the interweb 2 weeks ago or something

public displays of affection, personal digital assistant, push down automata

LOL

I intentionally click on ad links, if a) I like the site the ad is on, and b) the link seems like it might actually be interesting

^Migs^, welcome to my ingore list.

great, now I can talk about you behind your back!

I *never* click on Google Ads. Ever.

and I’ll DELIBERATELY say something insightful and wise that would revolutionize and completely turn around your life, and you’ll miss it

http://court.shrock.org/dmcaonshoes.html

ever search for something and then click the ad to get there because it’s at the top?

I almost never click on Google ads in people’s pages, as they really do blend into the background, but I do click on keyword ads (right side ones) on google.com

If a site is advertising on Google Ads, they want me to spend money.

sometimes I actually click on links because (c) I like the site I’m on and want to support it *click on ads

I mean, I like the ads on press websites that give me nice offers But that’s about it.

ya

vector3df; hehe usually, but occasionally i try to promote my weird ass sites through adsense *adwords

there are all sorts of organisations and companies spending the money for keyword results. not all of them want your money. advertisement is generally a part of the budjet for non-profits and private sites as well *budget

the people who click them are probably pleasantly surprised to find a unique web app and not just a sales thing

I mean, not private sites, heh. privately-run sites

It was silly of me to be so assertive that they want me to spend money Generally speaking, though…

you can tell by looking at the domain name what they’re about, most times I ignore the fluff ones, like when they have a keyword that is nothing at all to do with their domain name

haha eBay does that for like ever word find __________ on ebay

I usually just can’t be arsed to deal with Google ads like that.

I should say that my eyes only go to the sponsored links when the visible first page of regular links isn’t turning up anything useful

You know what? I think we’re all forgetting how awesome I am.

afk phone call.

k

In a nice touch of irony, I just found an actually useful Google Ads link… http://oilempires.itch.com/?source=Adwords&gclid=CJz7sYSbvI4CFQHgPAod-RyDwA

YPN could be better than Google Adsense if they got more people using it and more types of ads more categories

I think the best advertising is direct However, I understand how hard that it is so it’ll never be realistic

i like google adsense because it usually matches the ads to content very well Yahoo’s YPN doesn’t but YPN pays lots more

I agree with vector3df. I expect videos to appear while I’m browsing with a a loud charistmatic guy shouting, trying to shove products down my throat

I quite like it when I’m reading a page about Ubuntu and there’s a banner at the top for a Linux PC vendor and a nice offer included.

it’s fantastic when I have my speakers turned way up and there’s some loud music that comes on to get my attention for an ad

http://rusmafia.org/linux/node/81 ^Migs^ ads don’t necessarily have to be videos

haha, flash is always like 2x louder than everything on the web to begin with throw in the loudness of advertisers, it’s a recipe for headache and hearing loss ads should never make noise IMO either you don’t hear it at all, or it’s annoying

There’s no need to animate ads.

Sure there is, to get your attention.

hey guys

Hello.

I have banner tracking script on my site, I have to link to the tracker at the site name. Except the site name is in a rotation javascript file elsewhere on the site. Do I put the tracking script in with the .js file or on the webpage the ad appears?

Samus_Aran, I got it together via a series of checkboxes which fill a javascript array. But since my form is not submitted via javascript, how do I join the array into some CGI value on submit?

JSON? docelic, I’ve never tried it, don’t know anything about it but I think JSON’s for that.

with clickaider, it gives these example of how to track your link.. can anybody tell me what the difference is? a href=”http://www.example.com” clickaider_track_me=”1″Link to example/a or a href=”http://www.example.com” class=”clickaider_track_me”Link to example/a ^

The later is valid, whereas the former is totally invalid.

by invalid you mean, bad coding?

Invalid (X)HTML.

hm thats interesting lol

hello, I have a website template system I’m working on creating. The pages have a header, that has several images as links(like tabs). I want to be able to generate the text on them dynamically. I’m wondering, would it be better to place the text over a blank image with CSS or just generate the entire button in php? Any Suggestions?

no clue pal

I use very little Javascript, so I’m no help there, sorry both options are reasonable, but make sure you set the alt text. also, if it is a list of links, it’s useful to put it into an ul. shows up nicely on text browsers using text over images has the benefit that it is actual text, no regeneration needed, you can copy and paste, etc.

samus_Aran, thanks for the tip, I’ll try and remember that, this particular portion of the site was done by someone else originally who used an Iframe, I’m also trying to figure out the best way to remove that too.(I’m thinking split it into 2 files 1 with just the header stuffs and the other with the body.)

actually … your best solution would be to use an UL as Samus_Aran suggests, styled so that each LI look like a tab. No images required.

How hot should my oil be for frying chips?

100 degrees c kidin wrong channel me thinks

Yep. Occasionally someone knows the most random things. I’m going to go with 200.

say i have a table of logs consisting of ip/time, how would you query to get a grouping of “number of ip’s per day”? *unique ip’s per day, ideally

375F. 5s on Google. Yes, wrong channel

Windrose, just for GP. I’m trying to mimic the current design as much as possible, the current design also uses a second rollover image

you *are* talking SQL here, aren’t you?

unless you happen to know how to work with sqlalchemy and feel like saving me a step… yeah, sql

9′ … roughly. Depending on your

err, i have a bunch of days that i want totals for

test, and refine. Left as excersize. I need go get sleep before another day of hacking together stuff like that. btest, and refine. Left as excersize. I need go get sleep before another day of hacking together stuff like that./b

so say “9-1-2007 | 3″ “9-2-2007 | 5″ etc oh, g’night oh! i have a V now too, btw they’re pretty good i see why you like them

*chuckles* congratulations - and goodnight.

g’night

thanks guys but its time for lunch so I’m outas here and then on to code

there goes a man in a better timezone than i

oh, and the problem? I suggest cutting it up into pieces. Divide and conquer. Ta-ta.

peace

tags

oops. they left

I have banner tracking script on my site, I have to link to the tracker at the site name. Except the site name is in a rotation javascript file elsewhere on the site. Do I put the tracking script in with the .js file or on the webpage the ad appears?

ouch, fortune hurt my brain. “What did you bring that book I didn’t want to be read to out of about Down Under up for?”

could someone help me conceptualize something? I need to create a store locater by zip code–accessing mysql database with php …

There are a variety of zip code DBs with associated code for proximity.

I see, so I dn’t need to reinvent the wheel here… sourceforge then?

Google?

been searching for a while… but I feel like I need to know a few key terms before searching again.. I’v ebeen using terms: “store locater by zip code script php” among others

php zip locator, php zip database..

fewer terms are usually better than more terms, with Google, as it requires all of them (unless you use OR) the relevance of each word will be less for each word added to the search

will google fiind a sitemap on its own, even if you don’t submit one?

I finally got my promotion. woop!

w00t

developing our company intranet and e-learning tools

nice my school uses moodle, btw

my task today was making a shopping list of things they need to buy me

which is apparently the open source e-learning-thingy of choice ahha, nice oh brb, food’s done

moodle, eh I’m all about already developed solutions

anyone know of an XSPF (music player) IRC channel? Or anyone here familiar with it? What is the track ‘duration’ field for? I dont see what it does and would prefer NOT to use it. Q#@: Where is the ‘annotation’ field info suppose to show up? I don’t see it. @=2

yeah, it looks decent too

Check this out, home made soda can stirling engine - http://www.physics.sfasu.edu/astro/courses/egr112/StirlingEngine/stirling.html

Both elements appear to be documented in the spec.

I want to figure out how to regulate the RPM and mod a record player so it runs on it That would be super sweet

yeah, this is great

indeed, in a specs sort of way. “xspf:track elements MAY contain exactly one duration element.” but, for the open-source player known as XSPF, can I not use it? Would rather not have to specify that for a few donzen tunes.

i’m just thrilled it supports digest emails that’s such a time saver for me

or if I do use it, does it do anything for the USER?

I’m addign this to the list

MAY means optional.

I need a good knowledgebase system also

i’m not even sure what a knowledge base system is but you should suggest you use a wiki anyway, as it’s more progressive print out a few articles about companies switching away from KBs to wikis i’ve seen a ton of them recently it’s like the hot new thing to do

my users are retards

google “corporate wiki”

agreed, but dont know if using it ADDS something. They also say MAY for the track annotation, but when I use it, I dont see it showing up anywhere, not even in hovers.

wiki is a bad idea

They can’t speak to that in the spec, it depends on player implementation.

exactly, hence my Q’s

Which shouldn’t really matter. Provide it assuming it may be used by a client, or if you don’t care, don’t. The whole point of specifications is that so you don’t target an implementation.

http://www.interspire.com/activekb/

ok, I think I’ll skip the duration but keep annotation

interesting

I’m gonna try to con a laptop out of my employer

good luck

they’ve already bought dreamweaver and illustrator.. neither I’ll use. They also wanted me to use Sharepoint for this project.

heh

sharepoint–

i’ve never used it and don’t care to i had to fill out this survey for class about what i was competent in… and one of the questions was “ASP” and i wrote “0 - and absolutely no desire to learn it, I actively avoid all server-side Microsoft products.”

sharepoint is awfulness, especially its task tracking bit - a giant spreadsheet which doesn’t scroll until you’ve stopped moving the scrollbar

everything is terrible about sharepoint it’s good for sharing documents.. MS did their versioning half-right.

It’s decent for sharing documents, although the web-based UI is miserable.

heh

yup

everyone seems to be using the Confluence wiki for everything but that anyway

Don’t think I’ve used that before. Although Jira isn’t bad.

any experience with e-learning tools or knowledgebases? any tips/tricks/software/etc.. you can offer? I’ve been put in charge of creating a potentially huge knowledgebase and developing e-learning tools. I’d love for most of the stuff to be open source, but paid-solutions work too.

http://www.kmsi.us/ horrid web site, but amazing products their lcms is top notch

I’m trying to keep from developing the stuff myself.. for time and stress factors hmm, okyeah, nice site :p

Only that WebCT sucks.

ugh term lag. this i know.

good afternoon

bit random… but anyone got any suggetions on finding a dv expert I could chat to

dv?

digital video

digital video? diverter valve ? ah

webct is fucking awful

 

Affordable tomcat 5 web hosting

 

ya I was an end-user of it at school, and hated it

everyone hates it

and a buddy of mine was the admin. he hated his lide. life too.

i need one of those, i’ve been rambling aimlessly on irc all day :p

what pimp web development tools should I ask for

Django!

what kind of code are you writing? oh btw, i totally love cherrypy

i’m pretty picky when it comes to editors

nothing else really runs on the server though

PHP, perl, html & css, JS, Java

i’d have tried eclipse by now if i could run it on the server unfortunately, all the best tools are free :/

that’s too bad

well, unfortunately for you, anyway heh

oh well I’ve tried getting used to editing with vim. I was almost there, but got frustrated and went back to my windows gui app.

hey

Okay, Dominos needs to stop running that Oreo Pizza commercial.

oreo pizza?

It looks disgusting.

…that sounds horrible

isn’t constantly re-uploading stuff frustrating?

And the ad is, well, repulsive. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkEc67m_jvM

i kind of want to try it

built-in SFTP capability is top on my list

a sweet pizza?

the beard thing is fairly offensive, but the pizza itself is probably delicious

hey, anybody got an idea why my PJIRC chat doesnt connect (times out), a lot of the time?

Any KDE editor will have SFTP support built in. Kate’s pretty good.

they had a special which had mustard all over it once… mustard! It’s the only time I’ve seen a pizza which wasn’t completely devoured at my work

do you also keep a screen open to watch what’s going on on the server?

I might just install debian/ubuntu on my workstation and reap the benefits of open source

do you do it all with the web browser?

do you not run a server locally?

what do you mean? are you asking if I have a browser open when doing webdev?

anybody?

what’s pjirc?

nope

its a java IRC chat applet I can link you if you like to my site

no, i mean, i like to watch the server logs etc, restart processes, work with mysql, etc i couldn’t develop without a shell open

yeah, a few of them I usually have one with screen and a second just-in-case

so why not just develop in another one? heh

I know I know. I can get around in vi, i’m just not super comfortable I wish I was.

I never did get comfortable in vi - despite my best efforts.

i’m pretty good in vim, but i still get frustrated with some of it

From a shell I tend to prefer pico/joe.

nothing the vim community doesn’t have an answer too, i’m just too lazy to script myself comfort heh for example, when you close a window with :bd, it reformats the screen, which i think is silly but i don’t really know how to change it and don’t care to ask heh

Emacs is also pretty nice, but it’s a pita mapping all the commands to different keys (because my keyboard has a non-standard key layout)

i can’t deal with emacs

It’s a great OS, but the editor that comes with it is a little clunky.

heh

i’m dumping an image to a page inside an a href…, and for some reason firefox is adding an inline style saying display: none;. any ideas?

hehe our java classes in college required us to use emacs I enjoyed playing tetris

why is my browser telling me there is a prob with the google adsense page certificate?

“What is the return policy OF the ________?” or “What is the return policy ON the ________?” where the blank is the product name

Samus_Aran, i’d imagine it would be “What is the return policy FOR the ________?”

heh. sheesh. all three seem plausible to me

I’m pretty sure it would be for.

konqueror shows it fine as does opera. but why would firefox seemingly (according to firebug) add a display:none inline style?

anybody tell me why the IRC chat pings out a lot of the time on my website? www.thepickupsite.com

okay, I wil use for. thanks

connects sometimes, often pings out

does it ever not ping out ?

Samus_Aran, yea, sometimes I can connect

and is the error message from IRC actually “ping timeout”, or something else ?

I get ‘no ident response’ then ‘ping timeout’ no matter what server I give it 2] Error : Closing Link: 0.0.0.0 (Ping

perhaps you are connecting to an IRC network that requires ident on some of its servers, but doesn’t strictly require it on others

2] Disconnected from the ‘0.0.0.0′ is interesting, could that be responsible?

DALnet was that way last I used it a few years ago, as each server can have its own policies

Samus_Aran, its the same when I try irc.freenode.net 3] — *** No identd (auth) 3] Error : Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Connection Timed 3] Disconnected from

as for the IP, that is definitely wrong, but if you’re able to connect then I don’t see why it would be the cause of the ping timeout

could it be my hosting?

is that message saying YOUR IP is 0.0.0.0 or the SERVER IP ?

God knows

and what type of IRC web client is it, Java based ?

yea its at www.thepickupsite.com its a PJIRC client applet

perhaps you should contact PJIRC’s support?

the applet isn’t providing much information, so you will need to either find an updated version of PJIRC, another applet or contact PJIRC support/bugtracker I would look for settings for the app, though. it does seem like the IP is not being set somewhere

Samus_Aran, even though it does connect sometimes?

if the IP is wrong, then there may simply be servers that accept you connecting with an invalid IP which would provide you with the “luck of the draw”. it isn’t ident if you can’t connect to freenode, as freenode doesn’t require ident

param name=”nick” value=”Anonymous” would that be it

that’s the HTML code :p

ok

What is a good way of saying that you’re very experienced with something, but not an expert? (I hate writing CVs )

I am very experienced with something but I am not an expert

_ I’ve already used those terms several times

I would never say you’re not an expert don’t say what you’re not say what you are

Good point, JibberJim.

I am not unworthy of this job.

Double negatives don’t exactly reflect well on one’s grammatical skills.

savior of the universe music

generally you want to pick from a list of power words, and not reuse any of them

Samus_Aran, ‘power words’

e.g. * Proficient blahing the blah blah

Yeah, I know what you mean

and avoid adding “very” before every third word, heh

Actually, i’ve not used ‘very’ once

the more succinct your resume is, the more likely it will be looked at for enough seconds to avoid the trash pile

Yeah, i’m trying to keep it lean and mean

two page densely written resumes rarely get read, cept if there were only 4 applications or such

It’s been years since I last wrote one though, and I was never that great at it in the first place

from a ‘glancing at it’ perspective, you want it to have plenty of white space and clearly defined headings/sub-headings, so it’s easy to run their eyes down it and get an overview, and then dig into details -if- they want

Yeah, i’ve got a nice latex template that I used to use.

quite similar to proper web development, really, heh snack complete. /me returns to grammar checking someone’s web site

I’m never sure whether or not to mention experience not directly related to the job i’m going for. For example, I was a sysadmin for a year - do I mention those skills specifically, or just leave it in my employment history section :/

Sometimes subjective statements are much more effective than objective statements at conveying meaning and gathering agreement. For example, if I were to make a statement concerning my left hand, the concept would be much more accessible than if I were to make a statement concerning my north hand.

for some reason, that reminded me of that episode of Futurama with ‘lower human horn’

What is a “tempter” and how does one go about adjusting it? Man, sometimes I wish I didn’t have a life. I used to be so much more free, but now I have crap like money and influence.

donate all your money to charity, let a 13 year old boy from the internet make all your decisions

I learned today that I currently have more money in my bank account than all of my coworkers combined.

they just spend it all on cocoa dusted almonds probably

Granted, it’s only about $12,000

money market account?

The one who e-mailed us complaining about the “tempter” had about $10 in her bank account as of our lunch break today I’m thinking about buying some cheap headphones

Nah, get decent headphones.

I need to start buying stuff on my credit card. I’ve only ever made one credit card purchase, and it was like $20 and I missed the first payment

‘cheap headphones’ could me $200 :p

Rather, my step-dad missed the first payment I found the bill in his truck

circuit city carries a pretty decent circum-aural panasonic model, ’round $35, IIRC

*payment. I

they also have the low-end Bose’s

A while ago I bought some $25 headphones that were really nice, other than the fact that the plug was, um…. delicate. And I learned the hard way *As Hence why I need new headphones

all those plugs are delicate

But I had my music on loud, with as good quality as I can tell, and no one around me could hear anything coming from them

I don’t recall seeing even really expensive headphones with anything more than an average-looking input jack

Nanobot, you dont seem to have an abundance mindset wtf are 25$ headphones anyway

what’s an abundance mindset? $25 is about average for circum-aural

Abundance is when a hotdog bun stands up and starts dancing.

when you talk about having no money, or saving money, your brain starts acting like it has no money

Are you implying that $25 headphones are cheap or expensive?

cheap

especially in the realm of headphones :p

then again I live in the UK, where they would cost twice as mich

I’m not used to paying for stuff. 90% of my time is spent at my computer, which cost me $0 in total

much Nanobot, read some books on success and being rich, its all about a mindset

My grandpa bought the computer itself as a high school graduation present, and I use Linux so all the software is free

bah

I don’t want to be rich and successful

30-40$ a month for decent connection

My parents pay for that. I just share their connection.

anyways, you’ve realized something key if you’re into capitalism only hardware is worth manufacturing okay, well $25 still is cheap I found $70 in loose change in my house once

I probably have $70 in between my desk and the wall

also last I checked you had a pretty well-paying job not sure why your parents are still funding you, but count yourself lucky

night

I plan to move out shortly after I get this raise that seems to conveniently slip my boss’ mind every time he’s in the office But if I want to buy a house, I need credit first

why would you want to buy a house? and credit grows on trees

Why would I want to rent a house? Now’s a great time to buy a house, while prices are low

okay let me rephrase why would you want to posess a house?

Equity?

So I can lay around naked with no one to bother me

possess* seriously?

How many people are in your house?

only three these days

I have seven people here, plus pets. It gets pretty cramped

used to be five, plus pets so you weren’t serious about the naked thing? get an apartment

In an apartment I can’t stomp around the place without neighbors getting upset

in some apartments, sure same can be said for some houses

I want my own place that I can do anything to I want to build a moat

This is turning into an xkcd comic.

you realize you’d have to own your own island or something for that? even if you had a house, cities have codes people will yell at you for having trash in your yard

Well, sure, an island would be the next logical step

clearly

You can get an island for around $1mil.

but until you can afford an island, I suggest an apartment, which is much more sensible than a house

Which, compared to housing prices in some parts of the country, isn’t such a big deal.

I really do not want an apartment

why not?

Apartments don’t give you equity. If you’re doing shared-wall housing, at least do a condo.

My dad lives in an apartment, and I hate going over there because you have to be so delicate around the place. One wrong move and the crazy drunken neighbors will come pounding at the door “STOP BANGING AROUND!!”

apartment, condo, whichever the differences are invisible

Granted, it is a pretty cheap apartment and the walls are thin

yeah, that’s all it i is*

Heh. The differences might be intangible, but they’re kinda significant.

Plus, a house is an INVESTMENT

sure, but I didn’t mention significance :p my concern is pointless urban sprawl

Apartments are good for pessimists who don’t care about the long-term.

so is a condo apartments are for sensible folk :p

Sensible folk don’t like investments?

not as sensible as folk that live in communes, but that’s quite a leap we’re not separting ‘apartment’ and ‘condo’ at this time :p separating

Gonna buy me a condo. Gonna buy me a Cuisinart. Get the wall-to-wall carpeting. Get a wallet full ‘o credit cards. I gonna buy me a condo, never have to mow de lawn. I gonna get me da t-shirt wit’ de alligator on

is that a song?

Yes About yuppies

One of my friends is always trying to get me to move into her house, but I don’t see the sense in living somewhere I’m not getting equity out of. Rent is just an expense, a fat black hole in my finances.

yeah, well, face it you’re a yuppie

Yeah, like food I’m a yuppie?

yup

Or… Maybe I just want a return for for my money?

Aren’t I like the anti-yuppie? I have money but don’t like buying anything expensive

Or is it that only yuppies care about their finances? Yeah, same deal.

no, that just means you’re a tightass :p

I thought yuppies were the people who live paycheck-to-paycheck but put up a facade of being high-class

dunno, kind of sounds like you guys are using your own nonconformant definition of ‘yuppie’ a condo is a facade of high class

So you really are asserting that only yuppies care about their finances?

nah I’m asserting that Nanobot is a yuppie

Or is this one of those reisio discussions where whatever we say fits into your argument by means of redefining words until your argument works?

one of those like? :p

That would depend on what you mean by “argument” http://www.bash.org/?803323 - my hero

despite expecting something pedophilic and finding it, that _is_ funny :p

Hrm. What svn (or trac) needs is a way to notice when a commit occurs that causes a patch in an open ticket to no longer apply cleanly. There must be something out there along those lines already.

heh

I feel a bit guilty laughing hard at http://www.bash.org/?799628 after about 20 quotes on bash.org, I tend to start laughing a lot. then after 30 or so I stop laughing and leave the site. fun to do a couple times per year. they should make bash.org into a movie.

Why feel guilty about that? He’s a miserable actor.

eh, it’s not like he’s been earnestly trying to be anything but I mean he does ben stiller movies, doesn’t he? those movies have nothing to do with acting

well, for starters my best friend committed suicide

for starters he’s fucking rich I wonder if he tried before or after he became so

not so much about him as an actor as the laughing at suicide thing

gotta laugh

well, he’s a good writer imo. he wrote “The Royal Tenenbaums”, which I really enjoyed co-wrote

hey

I don’t really remember his character in that movie anymore, it has been years since I watched it

i have a programming assignment i can’t figure out

what language ?

c++…but it’s the algorithm i’m having trouble with

sup majd

i’m supposed to read a 2-d dimensional array and find the biggest square box whose values are all bigger than a threshold hey hax

when/if you start using sqlalchemy… let me know, i’m finally understanding how this stuff comes together

HI How can I get a page to center in IE6/7? this code doesn’t work with IE width: 705px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;

mezoko, text-align: center; put that for body {}

majd, but I don’t want everything text-aligned: center :-/ majd, plus that just center the content, I want the whole div centered

mezoko, put body{} as text-align:center, then a container div with text-align:left

majd, I want the div centerd int he middle of the page

huh? what about margin: 0 auto; ?

if I us text-align: center in the body; it doesnt’ set the div enter deadroot, well I know that the margin-left: auto; and margin-right: auto; don’t work in IE deadroot, does that css code work in IE that you provided?

“margin-left: auto; and margin-right: auto;” is meant explicitly for an IE bug are you doing your work in quirksmode or standards mode?

Hello mezoko.

hi formless deadroot, huh?

do you have a good doctype on the top of your HTML? do you validate?

well this is my good page http://mezoko.net/ I’m workingo n an other that I’m just taking code out off, but I don’t have the other one online yet

hax, do you know how i would do that assignment ? brb

that page of yours is rendered in quirksmode. most CSS help are meant for standards mode

deadroot, so that means?

i recommend choosing a doctype, preferably HTML 4.01 Strict over XHTML

deadroot, http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fmezoko.net&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0 perfect

having a problem with a website that works locally but not when I upload it

n0-rem0rse: what doesn’t work?

i think tht it has something to do with flash flash doesnt work what it is is a collection of tutorials in flash they work fine locally but after i upload them then it just goes blank http://98.194.59.164/school-index.htm this is the one that works if u go to CCNA Semester 1 u will see then go to www.battlebell.com/school-index.htm brb anyone have any ideas/ ?

no idea

i know that it shouldn’t matter but i’m going to see about getting rid of some of the excess folders

n0-rem0rse: i can’t even get to your site

which one? the ip ?

the only link you pasted yes

u dont see www.battlebell.com/school-index.htm ? r u getting an error?

ur 2 nice 2 help him

yeah, i just fixed my problem though, so i’m feeling generous

freaking lag

people have been helping me all day heh

lol i appreciate it

n0-rem0rse: yeah, i see that one

ok that is the “live” iste the “test” site is http://98.194.59.164/school-index.htm

‘iste’ is Latin for “that over there” in case anyone was curious

heh

lol

n0-rem0rse: and…? the ip link doesn’t work at all, btw

the “live” site is the one that is broken

oh wait, yes it does, just very slow i think…

yea I am uploading

oh, no, it doesn’t doesn’t connect at all

what does it say? really/ ?

doesn’t say anything, just doesn’t connect

crap

if i had to guess, i’d say you’re filtering packets or your isp is

isp might be they pretty well suck now that they have taken over

just change the port

i’m workin in windows dont know how to cange the port

…

the port for what server?

the web server here’s running… *he’s

yes, is it iis or apache or something else?

iis

google for “change iis port”

wow, this girl that started her own show from miami ink is pretty amazing

ok duh that chick is totally freaking HOT

yeah, she’s bangin for somebody covered in tattoos

it would help if i had iis turned on

n0-rem0rse: i suspect you don’t do a lot of web dev? :p

iis has a libido?

nope i started doing some about 10 years ago

heh

but got bred with it after about 18 months

you may have a few gaps in knowledge then heh a fair bit has changed

yeah one or two gaps this is just my personal site for the time being just something tht i can post some items on to send to family memebers members i dont spell very often either

i thought it was something about cisco something something?

yes i have a bunch of stuff up there that i borrowed from other places cisco ( which i am actually in school for ) unix web java just stuff that i think someone MIGHT be intereseted in like i said this is a site just for me

word i’m still not sure whwat you want me to fix let me know when you figure it out heh

i think that i know what needs to be fixed

brb, erasing my frustrations from the whiteboard

the “live” site is what seems to be broken i cant bring up the program after i get to start.htm then screen is white i can see where there is some sort of flash control but thats it… which site did u go to ? the ip site is my stest site

hey

hello http://www.battlebell.com/school-index.htm and i click on the first link “Semester 1 course” I am greeted with a blank page if I do the same here http://98.194.59.164/school-index.htm it works just fine

hax, you there?

n0-rem0rse: you shouldn’t really be publishing that stuff on the net anyway… but your problem is the swf is 404: http://www.battlebell.com/Courses/CCNA/31/sem1/en-knet-311053022401441/ccna3theme/ccna3/ccna3/en/images/knet-311053022401441/toc/main.swf yeah i just finished all kinds of frustrating sql stuff

what are you working on?

my personal project that i’m re-doing (and don’t really want to talk about in channel) i’m working with cherrypy+sqlalchemy now i like it a lot, but a lot of SA is really complicated

afk

wtf are those two?

cherrypy is a python web server and mini-framework type of thing sqlalchemy is an ORM

oh yeah you’re getting into python dude do you think you can help me with an assignment?

what is the #rrggbb code for transparent?

#rrggbbaa

yeah i guess

ok so i have a 2 dimensional array..i need to find the biggest box in it whose values are all bigger than a threshold

‘box’?

square

square?

umm..lets say you have a 6×8 array..then at the (1,2) coordinate there’s a square that’s 3 units big that kinda output

you’re still losing me on ’square’

a bunch of values which make up a square

i still don’t get it

can i msg?

yeah, but you might be better served here deadroot or mattmcc or someone more clever than me might jump in

i’m reading

see? heh

well i wanna paste a sample board..it’s a bunch of lines

a subarray with equal width and height

pastebin

touche

dpaste.com brb, need water

http://dpaste.com/19302/

the cells in a square with corners (1, 2) and (3, 4)

notice how there’s a 3×3 square of number 8+ in the middle? deltab, right

there’s a 2×3 of eights, but no 3×3

back, looking

deadroot 8 and above

ah

wait, i’m still lost what is this ’square’ thing?

hax, see in the middle, a bunch of 8’s and a nine make a square shape

oh, visually, yes, i see that

yeah i can’t figure out how to detect that square i’m supposed to find the biggest one

so you want to locate a 3×3 array that contains values of a minimum threshold within an arbitrarily large 2-d array?

i still dont see what defines a ’square’ though… that ‘9′ would seem to make it *not* a square

deadroot, right..but not specifically 3×3 hax, if the threshold is 8…then the square can contain everything 8 and above

oh the ‘threshold’ is how many can be not-homogenous? ohhhh that makes it a lot easier

it’s not supposed to be hard i’m just stupid/haven’t done any programming in 4 months

and you’re looking for squares of a minimum of what dimension?

well, you could go for brute-force techniques

well…the smallest square would be 2×2 i suppose

everything is brute force, the data is arbitrary and what language are we working with here?

do you have to list all possible dimensions?

deadroot, the only thing i could come up with is treating every number above threshold as a top-left corner of a square hax, c++

oh lame yeah, do you want to find just one square or every square?

haxthe largest

or are you looking for the largest possible ’square’ that contain values of the minimum value ouch

largest in dimension? or largest in values?

i recommend doing it in another language first. like JS. doing in C++ can take much longer to figure out the logic

is your comment under your example the output you want?

hax, diemension hax, output

this is kind of awkward to do without being able to throw exceptions when the array goes out of bounds s/throw/catch/

exceptions can be emulated is the primary array a proper 2-d array or can it contain rows/cols of differing lengths?

deadroot, different lengths

your lecturer/tutor is sadistic

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