hi, does anyone know any way that it is possible to estimate how long a web page will stay in the yahoo cache? or any way to remove it from the cache for that matter?

I’m pretty sure Yahoo can help you with that.

do you mean the time estimation or the removal? I looked on the yahoo FAQ and it looks like they do not remove content on request

what sort of request? :p

a request by email or phone to remove content from the cache.

then the likely answer is “you won’t get it removed”

oh I’m sure they’ll do that for you, if you have enough clout :p you might check if their indexing bot responds to meta element ‘revisit’ derictives

I was just asking on the offchance that someone knew a way, but mainly i was hoping there was a way to estimate normal cache expiry how does that directive work? i haven’t heard of it before

don’t remember, the internet does something like meta blahblah revisit-after blahblah 7 days blah blah meta name=”revisit-after” content=”7 days”

the content has been removed from our site, so i’m guessing it just depends on how long the yahoo bot takes to come back, and when it does come back then how it decides that the content has gone and should be flushed from the cache

hrmmm directive* interesting misspelling :p yeah they’ll get rid of it more or less, eventually

so there is no page left to put any directives on. yeah my boss wants to know how long it will take to leave the cache

why, did your boss put up some home-made porn on accident?

i reckon six months tops. do you think that sounds like a reasonable estimate? nothing that interesting i’m afraid

yeah, I doubt it’ll take that long

ok, i reckon i’ll say six months anyway just to be on the safe side thanks guys

mmmmm, new iPod

is it allowed to ask google page rank questions here, or is that off topic?

sure why not

n-rated: Google is the primary place to ask questions about Google-specific issues. But if you can’t find help there …

well I have been told web server questions are off topic

the ‘why’ is ‘mostly because we are not a Google support channel’?

it’s only offtopic when others dont like you

I find we’re mostly just a crutch

why does the topic say don’t use xhtml unless u understand it..

*grins* the explanation can be found in the article also in the topic

you always smile when you think of my crotch

gwailo? shenma yisi..

that is in the topic because many people don’t understand XHTML

ouch. Not bad, not bad

I’m afraid my chinese skills are pretty bad… and my mandarin is far worse than my canto

so you really are a gwailo?

yup

are you in hk?

no, I’m in little HK … box hill, melbourne, australia

oh

(it’s a suburb with the largest HK population in .au that I’m aware of) *grin* you know I make a special effort for you

what is HK ?

n-rated: hong kong where’s that? tasmania?

this is a public chat room

so?

but somewhere in Brisbane

I shall take it as a compliment

if it’s the largest suburb in australia you’ll have narrowed yourself down to like 20,000 people as it was intended *tips hat*

I’d curtsy if you’d not die laughing

hahaha, please do

Yeah, yeah. Keep wishin’, mate

has worked for me for the last couple of years

Windrose! \o/

“search here…” and when you click the text field to type your own searchquery, the default text dissapears ?

onClick=”this.value=”";”

Please please please - don’t do that.

also, that

why not? digg.com does it whats your motivation for nothing doing that? *not

Its a poor substitute for a proper label. It causes the field to behave differently to how most inputs behave. The specification says the value attribute is for a “default value” and “search here…” is not a default value. It’s a pain if JavaScript is not available. It causes problems for screen readers.

what would be in the field beforehand? useful text, right? why get rid of that useful text just when the user is using it?

And if you use the code suggested above, then attempting to /edit/ the field (e.g. if you’ve made a typo and want to correct it) would flush everything the user just typed in.

search PST… so i better leave it empty? as default

Yes

yes, and use a label

ok

I can also guarantee that the most common search phrase would be “Search PST…”

lol

oh I hate those damn things

a strange thing happens when i submit the form with the get method picture-search/?sq=fish&x=4&y=7

have to go delete out “search this site” before I can do search

whats the x and y?

it’s the coordinates of where you clicked on the image

Since you are using an image map instead of a normal submit button

coordinates of the image button clicked, because that’s what an image button is for

ah but i dont want that

then change it back to a normal submit button or live with it

its impossible to get rid of it?

that’s what image submits do

My image submit doesn’t do that

it doesn’t interfer with your processing unless you actively DO something about that data.

dlapoint, what do you have different than?

if you click on it, it does. it may also look different if you give the submit a name as well

its just better without it from an SEO pov

When I click on it, it does not pass any ‘x’ or ‘y’ var

does the input have a name?

Yes

anyone want to critique my design?

then you’ll likely get a submitname.x and submitname.y

from a what? Why’d you think a SE would bother with those bits?

MisterMonty - are you still in need of help regarding to your sidewide search-problem?

assuming you’re using input type=’image’

input name=”submit” id=”submit” type=”image” value=”Search” src=”img/magglass.gif” style=”margin-top: 0px” /

because i mod rewrite the urls so it can look like /picture-search/searchtag/ i dont have the name and id no miro picture-search/?sq=dog&submit.x=12&submit.y=5

there’s no issue with your rewrites

you know what.. heh. sorry There is some server-side stuff which strips that from mine, anyway

i want that too!

the x and y do nothing unless you program your server to do it

i know gareth, just want to keep the url’s as clean as possible

Then use a submit button instead of an image map.

what is doing your rewriting?

rules in .htaccess server side

ok. Rewrite /picture-search/searchtag/ to /picture-search/?sg=searchtag and it will still work

but how can i tell the form to submit to this url /picture-search/searchtag/ instead of the ?sq= …

You can’t.

form action=’”.BASEPATH.”/picture-search/’ methord=’get’

Dorward

and it adds ?sq at the end

use the POST http method, although that isn’t recommended for the type of form you’re submitting

methord?

And will produce URLs which can’t be bookmarked.

true

Dorward so are you saying that a seperate box would be set up for mail to be returned to - then a script would log into that box and see what was returned? also - using this method how would you tell if it was a hard of doft bounce ?

forms submit their GET info after a ? feel free to process that form and redirect to an equivalent “pretty” URL if you like

I’m saying that bounce messages are just like any other email (although they have headers that indicate they are bounce messages IIRC). So you set up your mail server to do something appropriate with them when they arrive.

/picture_search/mytag

i can do that thx gareth

Dorward i.e. whack them in a pop box and read out the stuff with a script ?

Personally I’d run them into a script with procmail

is there a way to enable auto discovery for ical files similar to newsfeeds? link rel=”alternate” type=”text/calendar” did not trigger special behaviour when i tested it. though if i use application/xml+atom even while the ical file is not xml and use href=”webcal:// then some browsers do recognize it and it is possible to trigger ical to subscribe to the calendar. but i doubt that this is the correct way to implement that functionality

I don’t think anyone is doing anything serious about iCal auto discovery. You might want to have a chat with the semantic web interest group, they’re most likely to know if anything is happening in that are (and also most likely to get excited by the idea and start working to standardise it)

thanks Dorward i guess ill go the microformats route then i think the adaption of microformats might be more likely in the near future

Unless there is some officially sanctioned miracle - yes.

hi there channel

hi dury

how do you doing there?

tired

me 2

you?

not bad….. anyway! could you make me a favor, please?

it’s possible.. depends what you want

all right… hang on in www.whois.net search for “calgelan.net” appears all the information to you?

if I use whois.net I’m gonna get exactly the same results as you looks like a lot of information when I whois it myself though

all right… see if I get the same info, ok?

Expiry Date………….. 21/12/2007, Organization Name…….. Koldo Bilbao Arr?spide, Organization Org……… CALGELAN

I’m in whois I’m tying in “WHOIS Lookup”

Name Server…………. dns3.terra.es I just ran `whois calgelan.net` in a terminal..

What would be the best way to completely shut down a website for 10 - 30 minutes?

shut down the server?

DOS it

No, I want to be able to modify the files. But I don’t want others to be able to acces it?

^Migs^, do you even know what that is?

I can DOS it for you denial of service

Configure the server to deny connections from $NOT-YOUR-IP

yes, I realize it’s not a verb, but I’m verbifying it

Isn’t there some .htaccess trick?

You could do said configuration using .htaccess.

ahh yes, deny from all hehe Everything is down! Now I have to work quickly to avoid causing catastrophic consecuences.

hey MinuteElectron, I can’t access your web site. What gives? hey MinuteElectron! help plz

..wouldn’t a better way be to redirect everything to a message saying it’s down and it’ll be back soon?

no

too hard

And I am busy btw.

he just has to change some “files” actually it’s not hard at all. Just put a redirect in the .htaccess.

hej hax! yeah; could even use mod_rewrite

I got the info about that domain, thanks

no problem

I should so have backed up the site and got the files ready *before* taking it down.

nah, everything’ll go okay, don’t worry. Always does.

not to ask a stupid question, but does anyone happen to know how to remove fk constraints in mysql?

not always… gives “whois.net” information about the domain you are searching Is it right or not?

I’m not really sure what you’re asking

hax, you’re database is likely to lose referential integirty

hi, I would like to study some websites that I have saved to my desktop using web developer however the css styles change the website for an offline browsing experience. How can I stop the css from doing this so the website is the same offline as it is online

i *want* to do that

hax, why on earth would you want that? Oh, how to remove them?

I had a game idea

me too

Sorry, I thought you were asking what would happen

i need to change the cascade on the constraint to ‘SET NULL ON DELETE’ or whatever it’s called heh if you have a way to change the cascade without dropping it, let me know oops brb, one sec

hax, i’m pretty sure it’s not possible with mysql (at least last time I tried) hax, ALTER TABLE name DROP FOREIGN KEY symbol; (sybol being the name of your constraint) s/sybol/symbol

I mean that… whois.net-whois lookup sometimes doesn’t show you the information about the domain you are looking for

hax, then just add your new constraint (you do not want to do this on a live system however)

well, keep in mind, they are just a web interface to the whois database also, whois isn’t always up to date

that doesn’t work

hax, really?

right

I’m sure that’s what i’ve done in the past :/

oh, wait, you’re right but i could have sworn i tried that… *sigh* heh

did I tell you I can ride the unicycle now?

does anyone here telework?

As in ‘electronic commuting’? Yes. Occationally.

if I use HTML entities like ∴ - those are not in regular font definitions or anything, are they? i.e. how would I get this into, say, a word processor

si is there a soloution to my problem do you think ?

you’d usually have to convert them.

how / to what

to whichever format the word processor use.

well, that’s the issue; I have no understanding of this whole charset thing

Most good fonts include most such characters

that makes it somewhat complicated, yes … I’m not sure what to answer you. A good tutorial on charsets might be useful.

okay thanks

The charset thing is just having different sets of 1s and 0s representing “e with an accent” or whatever.

that I understand, Dorward - but … well … I have never seen, say ∴ in Windows’ charmap *Windows’s so I wonder how it can show up in my browser…

Well, its got a unicode code point, so its in lots of fonts.

then the charmap thing is shite maybe

it requires both a Unicde code point, as Dorward point out, AND a presence in a font. Not all Windows-fonts are Unicode.

I just checked; I can’t find a char looking like ∴ in charmap

well … to be honest I have no idea which char it is, so I can’t realy help. ‘really’

I’ll pastebin http://paste.css-standards.org/24469/view

yes. That says ‘&there4′; but I still don’t know what the char *looks like*

that says: “∴: 4″ there is a colon and the char after it

The therefore symbol is three dots arranged as per the corners of an equalatral triangle with one edge flat against the baseline.

ah, thank you. That explains it.

so it doesn’t even show up for you - interesting

oh, it does. It just looked like random dots, sorry

lol

is there a known issue with onClick not working with input type=”radio”?

IE has some timing issues on it.

anyway, sorry, need to run

Dorward, what do you mean timing issues? is there a work around?

it’s fine, thanks

I’ve been googling, but I’m apparently not googling the right terms

It fires before setting the checked property, in other browsers the checked property is set first. I don’t know of a work around.

because I can’t find anything about it Dorward, ooooooooooh that makes sense

“alter table foos add foreign key bar_id references bars(bar_id) on delete set null;” … what’s wrong with this?

anyone know if a 404 page is supposed to include anything different than any other page, at the web server (http) level, or is it just a page that says 404 on it somewhere ?

hax, bar_id (after foreign key) needs to be in parenthasis “alter table foos add foreign key (bar_id) references bars(bar_id) on delete set null;”

wow, that’s so frustrating, i never get those alters right :p

hax, yeah, the syntax can be a tad inconsistant (or i’m missing the pattern).

The HTTP status code needs to be 404 rather then 200.

do you happen to know off-hand how that is written in the HTTP headers ? HTTP/1.0 404 Not Found thank you

Can someone tell me why the hell this got 8k+ diggs? - http://productofdivorce.com/noie/ The guy doesn’t know wtf he’s talking about He’s just doing a disservice to standards advocates He’s one of those “I’m smart because I use XHTML lolz” people.. and that page isn’t even valid anything.. it’s text with a bunch of br’s

you mean it’s just a plain text served as text/html with xhtml br /s

right heh I don’t even see wtf he’s trying to accomplish What’s the point of that?

Anyone good with phpbb? I’m trying to get my chat to stay in the iframe for the layout when we sign in but it won’t.. Anyone know how I can fix it?

he is increasing awareness

awareness of stupidity on the web?

I’ve never used iframes, sorry heh

i agree with DawnLight. it’ll bring to fore that 99% of XHTML sites aren’t XHTML compliant and that it might also help encourage the IE team to keep it up

why are you angry at him?

He’s talking about ignoring IE during development and says “surely there are enough big players out there who feel the same way that we can make a difference. if nobody else steps up soon, ill just do it myself.”.. oh noes! MS is shaking now.. heh

write a counter-blog article

IF anyone would like to see what I’m meaning then feel free to go to www.newbreedjesusfreaks.com/chat.php and login with testing as the username and password…

The big players are more interested in making sure that their customers can see their content (and adverts) then they are concerned with evangelising browsers which do a better job of following standards.

I don’t have an established blog.. someone else rebut it and lets digg the shit out of it It’s gonna be sad to watch diggnation this week and hear them laugh at this guy.

Are tehre any webdesign/html/web publishing sites out tehre which have forums?

it is certainly weird that their web page is not a web page… if they were concerned with bandwidth then save it as .txt

he’s wrong, we should block non-IE browsers I wouldn’t take anyone’s advice who says xhtml strict is the way to go

exactly

It’s like windows pundits who tell me I am missing out on so much and then say “I’ll brb, rebooting”

he doesn’t even have a reason for using it either.. which is made clear by the fact that he’s using it wrong

if he spends 70% of his development time fixing IE bugs he needs a new strategy

and ugh.. many of the supporting comments on digg are even worse like “i know My Ajax menu i just built works just fine in Safari ( mac and windows ) Firefox ( mac, windows linux ) Opera ( mac and windows ) yet my drop downs all are aligned wrong in IE.”

heh, dropdowns why do people use dropdowns? I just don’t get it I can’t think of anything more daunting than going to a website and being given the choice of 65 sections right away

it’s daunting to handle thousands of articles in any effective manner

um… search? tags? dropdowns almost always only make sense to two people - the client and the programmer to everyone else it is a learning curve I hear the argument that they are “familiar” because of windows/mac GUI interface

search is still and extra step. tags can get unwieldy

but yet, how many say “File” “Edit” “View”

*an

search has been proven time and time again to be the most effective way tags allow you the luxury of producing “related pages”

most websites don’t get it right

I never use site search.. ever because it’s almost always inferior to Google

i do. data’s private

how could an in-site search be inferior there are only a finite many things to look up

If a site violates their privacy policy and sells personally identifiable data about me, I’d rather it be the one with billions of dollars. :p

most in-house search are not polished as well as a proper search engine’s

it just is. All in-site queries I’ve done have failed miserable.. compare hardware makers like NVIDIA, Dell etc.. search their FAQ’s/support using their search and then Google’s. Google wins hands down miserably*

alright, good point but still I don’t like dropdown menus

to use up available and remaining height and width?

can’t That’s a bug in FF iirc

how about in IE? it’s an in-house stuck with IE

or no.. nm. The bug’s only for SVG with object Just do width=”100%” height=”100%” That’s valid on objects

html 4 allows for width/height attributes on objects

can’t. because that will eat up as necessary space to satisfy the 100% requirement. not fit within existing space i need it to fit within existing constraints

do you have a testcase?

hmm… brb with one http://pastebin.ca/690471 that one is with the object set to 100% height and width

for layout so that the html validates and is rendered in quirksmode

nothing stopping you from doing that for a single page

… that’s only the tip of the small ice berg. going to have ajax-like stuff added in later, and i don’t really know how to deal with quirksmode now ugh. my spelling is going down the drain did anybody message me after my last message?

nope

thanks www.trooker.com is amazing. somehow they managed to bump up a 3 KB PNG to 30 KB… http://www.trooker.com/images/sites/youtube1.png

http://www.kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=7004 heh @ that brief article how did someone turn that into a 30KiB PNG ?

i have no idea

must have saved it 8 times as a JPEG then as a PNG heh that or perhaps it has metadata included

that won’t work my image viewer is mum on the metadata part

Macromedia Fireworks 8 yay for Macromedia apps, I guess 5 I can’t imagine what Macromedia Fireworks is doing to it, heh 2.6 KiB I can’t make that PNG even half as large

I blame them for using your work as a secret steganography container

it’s why i said it’s not possible for them to abuse JPEG+PNG you can do that with PNG?

with any imageformat where you can hide pixel variances that is safe thru compression

there’s only 40×16 pixels

ok then

even in BMP, you can’t get 30 KiB

mmm

it’s very weird and now I tried saving it with all the options in GIMP enabled, such as “save gamma info, save transparent pixel info”, etc. and no compression and it’s a whopping 2.7 KiB

oh, you used steganography. i had read that as the trick were you can append a rar archive to the image

that is a less secretive way, but that works too

40 pixels x 16 pixels x 4 bytes (8-bit per channel RGBA) = 2560 bytes

is there something hidden in that PNG, or is Macromedia Fireworks just screwed ?

hi there

Everything is linked to cancer Overexposure to any substance in existence may cause cancer in humans

Hello again, mattmcc Does IIS use text files for all the config, or is it predominantly GUI-based?

Being an MS product, I’d assume it stores everything in the registry.

Righto. Forgive my ignorance, but how do Windows admins actually change settings? A VNC-type thing? I’d imagine editing registry keys would get a bit tedious…

Control panels?

Web based or what? For Apache I just SSH in and edit httpd.conf etc.

Oh, you mean remotely.

Yeah.

rdesktop.

Ah, I see.

Like VNC, just a better protocol.

Fair play to them.

There’s an OSS client for *nix, which has saved me on several occasions from having to run Windows to work on remote Windows servers.

can someone give me the link to #web’s paste?

ichigo, you stole my laptop’s hostname!

Usually stuff like HTML, CSS, and JS is best simply posted somewhere on its own, rather than in a pastebin. So that people can see it [not] working, without having to copy/paste out of a pastebin.

mattmcc, PHP as well mattmcc, ln -s filename.php filename.phps

Symbolic link? Why? oh, nevermind. That’s fairly nifty.

vector3df, yeah, and since it’s a link and not a copy, changes will show up in realtime. useful for debugging.

You learn something new every day.

Is there a way to get newlines in a textarea by setting its value?

Setting what’s value?

todd-: \n I’d guess

It shows up in the text area unless I should encode it

What are you trying to do?

When you reply to a message, it displays the original message in the textarea as well. That is what I am trying to do, however, the format is all screwy.

Does \n not work?

http://consumerist.com/consumer/danger-will-robinson/the-worlds-worst-credit-card-296994.php LOL

no it doesn’t

I second that LOL.

it actually shows like Helo out there\nIam todd.

url?

umm it is a development site and you would have to register and stuff not sure you want to do all that

Ah, okay. todd-: You could try looking at how forums do it. Are you sure you’ve tried \n properly? http://www.informatics.sussex.ac.uk/courses/it/tutorials/nsJavaScriptRef/textarea.htm http://www.codingforums.com/showthread.php?t=67759

i just needed to place quotes around it instead of single quotes like this “\n\n” vs. ‘\n\n’

you can use it only with “” dunno why , but thats how the world works

mefisto, todd- the reason is simple - data within double quotes is parsed by php (so for example, variables are automagically interpolated as well) whereas data within single quotes is stored verbatim.

That’s a fairly big efficiency issue when you think about it.

Indeed - hence the reason that you should only use double quotation marks when you explicitely need them.

Am I the only person who is worried when apt downloads and installs apache2 in less than thirty seconds? Feels far too good to be true.

It does/it is. Unless it already cached it somehow.

Nope, clean OS install. And it seems to work fine… Let’s see if PHP works.

Hi, i need a php upload system, that lets a user upload, download and deletes his own files. Just temporary, and fast to set up. Someone suggestions?

hi. can someone give me some guidance on how to pull an xml file from server everytime instead of cache? in javascript/AJAX that is

Have you studied Ajax before, atula? Side note, atula, Ajax is more appropriate than AJAX include a no-cache in the header?

thanks. I studies Ajax by writing hehe… 1 step at a time… *sigh. no-cache in header is what I was looking for. I’ll read more about it I suppose

http://www.mnot.net/cache_docs/

Hey folks, survey question for you all.

orly?

Do you find the name “DripTripper” a fun and catchy name for a search/review service for cafes?

LOL yes.

Lovely. Others?

I’m a bit easily amused, though. And I’m also fascinated by e^(i)(pi) = 1, so you should probably ignore me.

Oh well then…

e^(i pi) + 1 = 0

Mind boggling…

wait, are you sure? I thought it was e^(pi)(i) - 1 = 0.

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=e**%28%28i%29%28pi%29%29&btnG=Search&meta= a href=”http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=e**%28%28i%29%28pi%29%29&btnG=Search&meta”http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=e**%28%28i%29%28pi%29%29&btnG=Search&meta/a=

Yikes, well vector3df, I’m not using driptripper anymore tripper is german slang for gonorrhea

ROFL CafeNet?

taken

CafeWeb? WebCafe? NetCafe?

for sale

TripDripper? PissDripper?

available and EWW!

Is Postgres faster than MySQL for churning out huge records?

so i’ve heard

how does one urlencode on the javascript side?

encodeURIComponent

Trying to convert extremely sensitive data into htmlentities and so they could use GET Is anyone on Debian 4?

I am. Well, my laptop anyway

No worries, then.

works for me

I was gonna ask if apt-get install mysql-error was returning a package not found error.

Lemme ssh in and check It’s not in my apt cache

Bloody Debian In any case, I’d best be sleeping. Turrah, chaps.

As far as I can tell, there is no package with that name

I’ve certainly never heard of such a package name. What are you expecting it to contain?

sup matt

mysql errors, of course. Though presumably most people would want to remove it. apt-get remove firefox-memory-leaks

apt-get remove deltab Why doesn’t it work

heh

dpkg –force install handsome-stranger

hi all how to put an image at the center of the block? i surround it with div

+centre

http://dorward.me.uk/www/centre/

tag?

tnx

I’m glad miniE is back Oh dear, dreamhost has fucked up big-time here I’ve got read-access to every users home directory on this server

LOL ptlis_ did you report it?

vector3df, of course

ptlis_ let me know how the hell it happened, if they tell you

MYSQL room is quiet…any mysql people here?

swimrr, i’m fairly experienced with it

kewl…..i’m having trouble un-uniquing a column from a table i’m using DROP INDEX userID ON userimages

swimrr, what command are you using?

 

Cheap cms web space

 

but I get this #1091 - Can’t DROP ‘userID’; check that column/key exists

swimrr, have you got ‘ALTER TABLE tblname’ first?

no

swimrr, that’ll be why then

kewl…thanks does that always need to be there when you alter a table?

…yes How else would mysql know which table to alter?

oh, well i’m using phpmyadmin…so I’m in that table - thought it know ;p knew so now what’s wrong with ALTER TABLE ‘userimages’ DROP INDEX ‘userID’ ON ‘userimages’ ;p

remove the ‘ON userimages’ perhaps?

figured it out…thanks for the ALTER IMAGE tip

swimrr, no problem.

= Web 3.0

Hi all, is there a more practical method to test in IE5/6 than to run a VM for each version? *other than

I think there’s a firefox plugin that does it http://ietab.mozdev.org/ oh, blah that only runs on Windows

heh I run use that, but you can only have one version of IE on your machine as far as I know?

There’s a guy who puts together wine versions of the diferent browsers if you want ie on linux

I did not say I used something other than Windows

ah so your issue is just that you want to test views in both IE 5 and IE 6 right?

neither did I, I was merely offering an option

haha

it’s kind of slow, but if you’re patient and don’t want to fool with software, there’s always http://browsershots.org/ that only tests appearance though; you can’t interact in real-time (like for checking scripting)

nah that doesn’t provide the depth I need, guess it’s time to reload the VMs

http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE maybe that? impressive screenshots showing virtually every version of IE, heh

oh wow that’s cool. perfect!

nice

Thanks formless, guess you should keep that handy for other visitors here

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=run+ie+5+ie+6&btnG=Google+Search first result

haha oh wow IE3

hehe you never know who’s still using it

I remember IE3 I think i preferred Netscape Nagigator Gold over it, though.

What’s the default location of php.ini? Nevermind.

Depends on how you compile PHP.

i remember IE2, shippied with OSR1

I don’t remember it ;/

it had a different layout

you had a different layout! i didn’t enjoy that album ;/

:p

it’s not my thang.

really? weird, i thought you’d like it especially disc2 i thought was funky

oh, i didn’t get to disc 2 I’ll try that tonight

yeah, there’s some good ones on there

I’ve been trying to get back into hardcore again, but it’s not working. the whole genre just gives me a headache now.

heh

except breakbeat.

everyone likes breakbeat oh, i’ve got a question, maybe somebody knows the answer to this… is there some way in mysql to say that all ‘delete’s really just mark stuff for deletion, so they exist somewhere until i purge them?

not in mysql itself; but you can do it programatically but you already knew that

:p i’m really surprised that isn’t a feature i wonder if it’s a postgres feature

Postgres can do it.

dammit is it easy?

http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.1/static/sql-createrule.html

I ususally do it like formless suggests

yeah, just have your app move data from one table to another and purge from table2 as needed

i don’t see how you’d do it with that… yeah, but i’m lazy :p

ohh, fiddlefaddle. You can set it up in 10 mins.

in the past I’ve marked tables for deletion by setting a certain field, then a cleanup script simply deletes all marked rows before a certain time.

maybe, not sure how to make that play nice with sqlalchemy though yeah, that’d be the plan

it was simple, though i’m sure there ’s a beter way.. there always is

heh

woohoo done for the day

lol

back here again in 13 hours ;/

You’d create a rule to override what a delete normally does.

11-hour days are killer.

also select and upate oh, but it wouldn’t work anyway unless mysql supported it, since my ‘unique’ columns would no longer be valid either maybe it’s just a bad idea

mysql has triggers now you could insert into another table

do what now?

insert the deleted row into another table as formless says

and i can automate that? i’m not sure about this whole ‘triggers’ thing

triggers are neat

the trigger says “when a row is deleted, do this” (or inserted or updated)

hmm, that sounds like a good idea

ye i like the idea of using a trigger to move the data to another table better

i’m reading the docs, and it’s less than clear how to do it but it makes the most sense

http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/using-triggers.html

http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/create-trigger.html

hrm you can’t set width on A tags under IE5.5/6?

display: block;

yatta \o/

you can’t set the width of an inline element

yeah light bulb went on

yeah, i’ll do the trigger thing this seems smart

For self-signed SSL certs, I specify SSLEngine on in httpd.conf, right?

PNG fix for IE5/6 doesn’t play nice with :hover/active/blahblah scratch that, it doesn’t play nice when you use shortform background

it doesn’t play nice with repeat

hey for some reason my PJIRC is giving a ping timeout when I try to connect, but I can connect fine to the server with IRC, any ideas why? it was working last time I checked Only difference is I get no IDENT response when I use the java client oh, scratch that, its the same for both

can someone help me get my chat to stay in the iframe when logging in to chat? it doesn’t show the layout.. Instead it just shows the chat itself:s 142 ppl here and no one replies:s

:s

hi reisin .do you know your iframes?

yup http://dorward.me.uk/www/frames/

does someone know how to get the long result pages in google ? like for ebay.de do i need to provide an rss feed ?

Hey

Hello!

Hi, I need some help figuring out how to make those large text input boxes that you see in those web 2.0 type of sites….and example of this would be the wordpress login text fields

still here?

If anyone can point me to a tutorial on how to do this, I would appreciate it

umm, it’s just a bigger font size

input {font-size: 1.5em;}

really? lol… let me try

anyone know how report as spam systems are usually built?

todd-: what about?

your tutorial doesn’t count unless it has lots of adsense

huh?

also you… ping?

report as spam systems

todd-: care to elaborate on that?

todd-: Using artificial intelligence.

for instance I built a message system and I have a Report as spam button on that message I am trying to figure out what that button should do

todd-: you made a button you shouldn’t have made

lmao! I didn’t make it, it was given to me in a mock-up

someone else made the bad button then my point remains the same heh

hax, can you elaborate?

todd-: are you talking about an email system?

no internal message system

is it MIME based/ *?

todd-: how’s it going to get spam then?

you’re sharper than me

hmm hax you may be on to something yes! This saves me a lot of time too

lol?

hax I love you dude

now i’m really confused

how could I get spam on a system that only allows my friends to message me

well, if you show me the system, i can show you how to spam it but that seems unrelated heh besides, thank deltab, not me

how many people will be using this?

since you’re in such a helpful mood… i got this DB problem i’m not sure how to solve…

ok nm i have to think about it because I may open it up to have the option to contact anyone and then turn that option off, but, how do these systems usually work. Should it be some database? or an email admin type of thing or both

todd-: well, if the system you’re talking about is ‘email’, it’s a pretty big topic

no not email private messages

in a database?

registered users messaging other registered users? my problem is very much in a database to kill two problems at once, here it is, using todd-’s messages as an example:

yes in a database yes hax

so i have users, and they send messages to each other…. user_id=1 sends user_id=2 a message (creating message_id=1)… so the message table looks like “message_text | sender_id | receiver_id”

yes that is correct that is the system I have a little more to it than that but yes

now i delete user_id=1, because i find out he’s a spammer… in order for my message to still be in user_id=2’s posession, though, user_id=1 needs to stay in the database…

todd-: so you can add a column to record if it’s been flagged

right should it be some kind of counter? hmm I think i’ve got it

my problem is, i actually need to remove user_id=1 from the db entirely, not just flag him as a spammer… but won’t that mean i break referential integrity in my messages database once user_id=1 is gone from the users table?

yes

is that okay?

i’ll add a counter to a database and if he has been reported spam say 300 times, then block him from all users

not if you require referential integrity

I just want to know how systems like myspace handle it

what if i do, but the messages table is an exception because i’m doing something wacky

why remove the user row?

i never remove anything i just flag

thats the wacky part

like ignore flag

lets say it’s because i want to reuse his username (which must be unique), so it can’t be in the table anymore

split the user table into two put the parts you must keep in one and the parts you want to be able to remove in the other

hmm

so you have a current user table and an allocated user id table

ah ok, yeah, that makes more sense ah, now i see the answer to all of my problems thanks deltab todd-: hope i helped you somehow too you were right about this whole ‘use postgres’ thing i’m hitting the limitations of mysqls *mysql

why not mysql? Just to jump right in there

triggers aren’t mature yet

Fair enough. If you want a nice learning curve, Oracle is about as mature as they come.

also about as expensive as they come

They have some nice free tools out ther. there*

i like my software free

Fair enough I’m really saying most of this because my feet are propped up on Oracle: Complete Reference (Third edition)

heh yeah, i’ll pass on expensive software licenses i’m outgrowing mysql, but i haven’t outgrown postgres if i ever outgrow postgres, i’ll try oracle

outgrowing MySQL? You’ll be a fine web developer one day

i’d like to think i’m a fine one now heh

Have you already started professionally? I thought you were still in school?

whats the most used language these days? PHP?

Yahama-R1: Probably C.

one foot in, one foot out… senior year of college right now

C heh

i still do some consulting work

ah, fair doos.

for webpages i mean

Ah.

i know C everything written in C

Yamaha-R1: I’d guess PHP/ASP

thanks hear anything about coldfusion these days? I haven’t been around in a while

Yamaha-R1: Coldfusion was a failure. It’s fairly dead.

thats what I thought

Yamaha-R1: There are the odd CFM pages on Corporate sites still kicking about My apologies for the misunderstanding, hax

i ask because I am helping my girl get a business started she’s a graphic designer and I used to be a computer nerd but I have been doing real estate for 2+ years hence my loss of whats going on with computer stuff

trying to figure what to tell her to learn dreamweaver still in use bigtime?

Yamaha-R1: What languages are you comfortable in? Yamaha-R1: I’d take vim over Dreamweaver any day.

well I didn’t do much on the web I did more C and complicated stuff for school. writing compilers and such vim

Yamaha-R1: PHP is a fairly solid base to start with.

your on linux what flavor

Debian 4!

debian

I’d highly recommend “Programming PHP” and “Web Database Applications with PHP and MySQL”

cool thanks I guess not much has changed. Thats what was big back then i am also good with db’s but she’s not there yet thanks so much vector3df

No problem.

do you know if postgres can modify the table that causes the trigger from within the trigger?

That’s one of the key points of a trigger.

apparently mysql doesn’t support that, triggers can only modify the tables that didn’t trigger them

Because there’s a potential to fall into a recursive trap, yeah. Postgresql makes it your job to avoid that happening.

CREATE TRIGGER BLAH; AFTER INSERT ON lolz; FOR EACH ROW BEGIN; DELETE FROM lolz;?

yeah, thats what #mysql said… i thought it was silly to not make that my problem

Yes, well..

Would MySQL refuse my semi-complete trigger or just die?

One must remember that triggers, stored procedures, etc are all fairly novel features in the mysql world.

okay, you were right :p

and moved onto MS-SQL =p~

no wai heh

.. and moved onto being a WinFS developer, so data miners can more easily gather information about a persons computer files what are the practical differences between postgre and mysqwl ? -typo

That’s a large topic.

I have only gotten into using MySQL this year, and have read about PostgreSQL, but I’m not sure what the differences really are though most people I’ve spoken to that have used both, prefer Postgre

apparently once you need to do stored procedures and triggers, mysql is lacking

Samus_Aran, it’s the reverse for me.

actually, I don’t remember talking to anyone that had used both in a project and prefered MySQL, heh ah, a first for me then

I think MySQL can be patched up depending on how you code your application

Patched up?

The deficiencies that might come through. I mean, for me at least, MySQL is just fine. If I was to run into a problem, chances are my program flow could pick up the slack.

hm, so postgre provides more programability. I’m not there yet just getting used to storing and retrieving now, with a bit of sorting and pagination thrown in for good measure

Oh. Well, that’s not really a solution, just a workaround.

Remember that I’m nowhere near outgrowing MySQL, and I’ve yet to need a feature that it doesn’t have It’s well suited to me; people don’t consider the subjectivity of technologies like that too often.

but there are probably many features that you don’t know you need until you try alternatives e.g. many people think notepad is just great for text editing *cringe*

It is.

Sure, there’s the YAGNI factor.

damn thing couldn’t even open files larger than 64KiB until recent Windows versions

I write text. Notepad, very quickly and efficiently, saves my text. End of. It does what it was made to do very well. I’ve tried MySQL and Oracle. Oracle has some damn fine features, but nothing that, at my level, I need.

and then there are text editors like jedit, vim, editplus, and so on

I’m a vim man at heart. Did you know that vi has searching? Notepad fits it’s bill perfectly.

I could never use a text editor like Notepad again (not that I have for more than 7 years now). I used EditPlus last I used Win32, and Vim in GNU Screen now

Technology is incredibly subjective

well, i just realized i hit the mysql feature wall today i wasn’t *planning* on outgrowing it for this app :/

for example Notepad can’t save as Unix or old-Mac format. no reg exs. no syntax highlighting. no support for tabs (the character, I mean, you can’t set it to be 3 spaces if that’s your desire, though no MDI tabs either)

Notepad isn’t meant to have those features.

MS-Edit for DOS was a far, far superior text editor that is the reason I could never respect Notepad

Notepad does what it needs to do. No more, no less.

Microsoft took a good text editor (Edit) and released a child’s toy in its place

I think a 2xXeon Quad, 32GB RAM, 5TB mainframe respects a 1.5 Ghz, 256RAM machine that is used for Word Processing alone.

cept when you open 200 page document in OpenOffice.org, heh

heh.

I like and use OO.o for a lot of things, but it has issues with memory usage and saving on larger documents

Fine, what if it was using vi and pdflatex There. :p

most amazing word processor I’ve ever seen is SoftMaker’s TextMaker. it is so efficiently programmed, uses almost no RAM and takes only 1 second to open many documents which take 8-10 seconds to load in OO.o

TexMaker? Or TextMaker?

TextMaker. SoftMaker is a proprietary office suite

Ah, alright. What’s the bloody hype about XHTML?

available for PDA, Win32 and GNU/Linux, perhaps something else by now

The topic tells me to stay away (which I do) but Slimbox says definitely go XHTML 1. First make sure that there is a XHTML DOCTYPE declaration at the very top of the HTML pages where you want to use Slimbox, so the browser will work in standards-compliant mode. The DOCTYPE must be XHTML 1.0 transitional, XHTML 1.0 strict, or XHTML 1.1. Example, for XHTML 1.0 transitional:

that is one thing I miss using GNU/Linux when compared to the old DOS days … efficient programming. there isn’t much of it around anymore. there were so many ultra-complex DOS apps that were only KiB in size and could run comfortably on a system with 1MiB RAM or less

No there weren’t. Such programs only seemed complex due to the low capabilities of the architectures of the time.

like AutoDesk Animator 1.0 DOS … certainly the most efficient desktop-style app I’ve ever used. you could fit it on a 360KiB diskette and still have room for some text files, heh. there are still features I miss from AA 1.0

Well, now that’s different from complexity.

and I refer to the average deskop app with few features that sucks up 20-30MiB RAM

Computing power has increased. Application complexity has increased proportionately. Where’s the problem? Average? Edubuntu is slated to work at 32MB per workstation (or so the IRC says) If I recall rightly, pureLTSP is even more efficient.

e.g. ICEWM is highly efficient. it has hundreds of features and uses only a couple megs RAM (depending on theme)

Define “average”, please.

but I can look in my process list and see a dozen apps using more than 10MiB RAM without doing much “popular”

Memory efficiency like that isn’t really a goal of big desktops like KDE or Gnome, and there’s no particular reason it needs to be, when you can’t even buy a desktop box with under 512mb of memory these days.

and I think you should check out the feature list of AA 1.0/DOS before you say it wasn’t complex

Holy…”a[href $=’.ext’]{css codez;}”

Other apps, as you’re already aware, do strive to be more efficient.

Has that always been there?

No, it’s a CSS3 selector.

I used that app for years and still didn’t learn all its features. it had a beautiful, highly efficient user interface. it also had a system of combining effects with a pixel selection method to create a much wider array of tools than the 50 or so it provided

The rendering algorithms in use today are almost certainly far more complex.

for example you could flood fill “soften” or do a triangle of “fade out” I wish GIMP had tool combining like that =/

It’s scriptable, so it does. Although those two examples sound like using existing tools within a selected region.

I wish GIMP had a Photoshop-like layer effect system

That’s a popular wishlist item, yeah.

not having used Photoshop since leaving Windows, what are their layer system ? yes, same idea as a selection. you pick a left and right item. the left is what pixels will be affected, the right is how the pixels will be changed.

You can apply effects like inner glow, shadow, etc. to a layer, then adjust or remove those effects later on, even after saving and reopening.

what’s the best resolution for mockups?

however GIMP only provides a few selection methods, unless you want to get into using layer masks and converting

It’s just a mockup, pick something that’d reasonably fit on the screen for its target audience.

Righto.

ah. that does sound nice I am all for non-destructive editing and it is one of the things that does annoy me about GIMP. I end up with massive XCF files because I tend to keep every version of things I tried and just turn off the layer

Doing things like inner highlights, strokes, etc. in GIMP don’t feel natural at all

Ardour is another efficient app. it can all kinds of handle realtime sound effects, unlimited multichanneling from any sources Jack supports and it is all entirely non-destructive (cutting, pasting, fading out, applying any LADSPA(sp) plugins, etc.) compare that to Joe Schmoe’s GNU/Linux sound editor: Audacity. when you press play in Audacity, all channels of sound are loaded into RAM and then played. if you have a CD at 24bit, you need a gig of RAM to press play

http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/cs_programming.shtml

whereas Ardour can handle the same CD mix with a couple megs RAM for the app and a couple more for a buffer

Are you sure about that Audacity factoid, Samus_Aran?

So instead of waiting for the CD to be loaded, you get to wait for it to spin up every time you play a track?

100%. it is why I switched, trying to create mixed CDs just talking about WAV files

A friend’s father is a Sound Architect at ATI (Well, AMD now). He uses Audacity and Adobe Audition, both on a 512 RAM PC.

Audacity has a very stupid requirement that it can’t play from the hard drive then he only does small edits you won’t notice the issue if you’re only doing sound effects

He mixes entire CDs for his jazz band.

but you won’t be able to play a mixed CD with 24bit temp files, and a couple minutes of tracks overlapping well then he is either a) lying about his specs, b) only works on one track at a time, c) is using a new version of Audacity which has repaired this idiocy

I’m not sure of the numbers, but with all due respect I think you shouldn’t throw out statistics like a mandatory 1GB of RAM without a good reliable source

afaik Audacity still requires all WAV data to be loaded to RAM before playing

I’m not a sound expert I’m not an IT expert but your numbers don’t seem quite right. :-/

I watched my process monitor. it used 850MiB RAM and proceeded into my swap space… and would skip like hell trying to play when I got to the end of my CD

Perhaps your machine/version has some issues?

you press play, it loads your channels into RAM and then plays. if you don’t have enough RAM, you’re screwed. you can *edit* as much as you like with lower RAM, it’s just playback

Has anyone else got experience in Audacity? (Once again, sorry if I come across as a complete wanker)

I’d install it and take a shot, but I swore long ago to stay out of arguments about memory consumption & mangement.

haha

It’s far too common that various underlying issues get misunderstood.

heh @ that pascal one on that URL you gave (I renamed the .pas file to .exe so it would run)

Yeah. My favourite so far.

I was a huge supporter of Audacity until I figured out this RAM thing. this was a long time ago now, they may have rewritten playback code now to allow for from-harddrive-playback with realtime mixing of tracks as I wasn’t able to finish my mixed CD … ended up cutting that one short, and did another in Ardour

To be honest, I don’t care all that much. about the argument

Gurdaas Mann

neither do I. and you don’t come across as a wanker. and I didn’t believe it at first, either. I had to actually check the process list to watch the RAM usage shoot up every time play was pressed on large multitrack sessions

Does Audacity have much in the way of a community? There was a post to the Quanta mailing list where some bug made CPU usage skyrocket; the developers had already fixed it but they actually explained the problem. Very good and user-oriented dev team

I know I tried to find the Audacity dev team to ask about this issue, but I can’t remember now if I found them or if I did, if I found an answer

Jesus…”While in college, I used to tutor in the school’s math lab. A student came in because his BASIC program would not run. He was taking a beginner course, and his assignment was to write a program that would calculate the recipe for oatmeal cookies, depending upon the number of people you’re baking for. I looked at his program, and it went something like this:” I got that assignment two years ago. My biggest problem with learning a programming language is that I can never think of programs to write for myself to practice.

if you’re learning to program graphically (e.g. SDL), then do the tried-and-true Tetris

Samus_Aran, I’ve done Tetris.

probably a quarter of the game programmers out there have made some version of Tetris along the lines, heh. at least it seems that way, I’ve played way too many versions of it

I forgot almost everything, and it didn’t actually make much use of things like memory management, pointers and whatnot.

I liked Blocks for DOS the most, due to its excellent keyboard handling (it was done in pure assembler)

Why the hell would you do pure assembler? Also, do I want Debian/Fedora? for a server web

probably because they were wanting something to do when learning it

Debian i t is.

I’m using Debian on my server

Distro selection is a fairly personal choice..

I used to use Ubuntu “server”

True enough. There are random tidbits of information that come in useful.

I can’t imagine using anything other than Debian, but I’ve been using it 11 years, so.

but I decided to switch

My only grievance with Ubuntu is that I go to Debian prefixing all my “apt-get”s with “sudo” I do it nearly every bloody time.

So configure sudo accordingly?

my recommendations are Ubuntu Server (pretty soild general purpose server), CentOS (if you like RPM packaging) or Debian Stable (if your most important is rock solid, and not new software)

don’t branch out, everything else is terrible

What distro are you on?

my server is centos

I moved off CentOS a few days ago.

I’ve never planned to. Both my parents use Ubuntu on their desktops these days, which is all well and good for them, but not me.

I use Goobuntu

Ubuntu Server, how’s that for speed?

it’d be fine, i like yum better than apt… but there’s no upgrade path from centos4-centos5 so it’s just frustrating heh

yuck

I love apt.

when you get down to it, they will all run just about identically once running. it’s the setup procedures and updates that differ

But I prefer RPMs to Debs because my Debs never bloody work.

sqlalchemy is frustrating me that is all.

Yours, as in, ones you make?

I’ve used yum on CentOS and quite liked it. it is a nice package manager. apt is substantially more complex. both have merits

Sorry, that was misleading. No, .deb files that I download.

Because it’s pretty hard to get into a situation in Debian stable where distro-provided debs don’t work.

Not distro provided.

Oh. Well, that has nothing to do with the package format. Downloaded third-party RPMs have exactly the same problems.

i just noticed i can do press this key… i wonder what it does apparently nothing

You can’t know what they depend on, which versions, etc.

mattmcc, it’s just a trend I’ve noticed. It has zero technical basis.

I use Ubuntu on the desktop, and it was rock solid when I first installed it (6.06) but once I upgraded a lot of little things stopped working, and one larger ones (dbus) then the next upgrade fixed most of the broken things .. and broke a few more. it seems that Ubuntu does better with clean installs. not sure about the server one, though

I think, over the years, I’ve used one non-distro .deb, Opera.

Wow.

I recently tried making a few debs

I haven’t found a need for any others, really.

was more work than a Slackware tgz, a bit more work than an Arch Linux package debs are very picky about everything being “just right”

Indeed. That’s what keeps packages from causing problems.

which is good, I suppose. more likely to have accurate info in the deb that way

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-keyc.html clears up a lot about key-based SSH

but it can be a bit overwhelming when all you want to do is make your custom MPlayer package use the same strange numbering scheme that the distro uses, so it doesn’t think it is older

Argh. I barely slept three hours last night, and it’s now 01:14…

IRC, the ultimate time sinkhole.

I’ve been trying to get apache with SSL working fairly well, SVN and a nice user control system Attempting to link SVN, FTP and SSH accounts… Any tips would be greatly appreciated. I’m just trying to figure it out as I Go anyhow, I have to be up in five hours so I’ve gotta run ‘night lads

if anyone else has that problem of “my interweb connection died, my shell connection timed out, i reconnect, and now screen won’t resume”… i found the answer

when you put your mouse over a text, a small text appear at the bottom of it

that’s called a tooltip, and is a user-agent specific feature there’s no standard dictating its use

Though certain things usually are rendered as tooltips by browsers, like acronym and image alt texts.

usually link titles are often displayed that way as well

if you’re looking for a javascript solution, YUI has tooltip examples

OK, wicked rusty here. How do I do a link within a form that can control a form parameter just like a check button would? I assume you can just make a hidden element and control it via JS, but i that the Right Thing?

… what?

hello, i need help getting a popup to pop up when i hit submit is all fields aren’t filled in.. is=when anyone?

Let me break this down even further. Let’s say I want a link within a form to toggle or otherwise alter a parameter, just as, say, a checkbox would. Would I make a hidden input and have the link work by altering the contents of that input? (If the first sentence was the problem, it meant”OK, I’m very rusty here.” “Wicked” is a New England-area intensifier :P)

you want to call confirm() and return false on the form, but i can’t remember what hook you want to return false on i think it may be onsubmit

Heh. It’s a little more widespread than that.

i’m still not sure what you’re trying to do

ok…. ty

Almost everyone knows it, but I’d be surprised if someone from Georgia said it g Since hax seems to need a full lexicographical breakdown to understand me, I figured I’d be exhaustive (it’s quite possible that my question is infathomably idiotic, but at this point I think it’s pretty comprehensible).

i really don’t think it’s the english that’s getting in the way although i’m also half-asleep

Yeah, that was rhetoric. I do think it’s pretty simple though

anyone here know how reserving a birthday party at a family fun center works? (from both sides of the process)

Hi

/nick nikola_twal

hay anyone use google webmaster tools?

Is that something to be proud of?

only a few times.

hm I want to build a kid-friendly Web page sometime, while maintaining standards unfortunately my design ideas don’t work too well without something like Flash, which I don’t wish to use (although I can do so)

kids tend to like Flash more than adults. A matter of noise to information ration.

ah

what is the number who persist the most?

so I could make a fun “for kids” section entirely in flash, but keep the main site non-flash?

if you don’t mind locking out all (most) disabled kids.

is there a way to get flash-like interactivity with a degradation path for disabled individuals/

Cheapest postgresql web hosting provider?