anyone know if a cisco 800 has a master password?

maybe ask #networking

thats the whole log : http://paste.debian.net/36875

I have a client that has one and obviously I didn’t install it and they have no clue (they barely knew where it was)

tryint 444 result in : Wrong permissions on /etc/ssl/certs/stunnel.pem

looks like DH stuff is important .. but i don’t know enough about SSL to tell you what is missing

abrotman, thanks

there is a pretty empty #openssl

thank you anyway

i’d imagine google knows more

eve

trying hard, did not find anything yet http://www.infodrom.org/Debian/tips/stunnel.html but this did not help out

hrm…

got it

? okay

http://www.chupame.ch/file.php?file=imapd-ssl.txt

stunnel.pem

workie now ?

jop

see .. google is smart

you “append” that dh thingy to a pem file, this is all you need hehe, abrotman yeah took a whle to find the proper answer thank you strange thing is, that when i try to accept the cert with tunderbird it just asks again and again

which IMAP and/or smtp ?

Is squid a big process? I have a small gateway machine I would like to install it on but I don’t want to bog the box down.

smtp

so sasl ?

now it worked, i just recreated stunnel.pem

okay then ..

hi there… Anyone knows an application to resolve dependencies between shared objects ? not ldd. ldd is quite stupid, i need something more intelligent, it should read the symbol table

that is called a linker, it’s part of binutils

geo-rge: i know that man. i need something to draw a dependency graph between a lot of shared objects

ldd ?

no

that’s what a linker does

there’s some package of elf tools elfkicker or something (and another one) also just look at ‘nm’ and ‘objdump’

yep

they might provide sufficient information

or, if you want to write such a tool… you can probably use nm

objdump -p is good i’m planning to do so it helps to automagically find deps within a project

dpkg-shlibdeps uses objdump -p

\amethyst: it can’t spot hidden dependencies

define “hidden dependency”

i have a .so that i know has dependencies to other shared objects of my project

bedboi, i know a really easy way to find that build as static libs

yep you will have a bunch of errors

then if you miss an explicit -l for any of the dependency libs, you’ll get a link error

so they aren’t hidden .. but cascading

thanks, adding to the jargon

adding? correcting!

yep, i was just guessing when i said “hidden” btw i want to build a simple stuff that takes all the shared objects in a project and finds all the CASCADING dependencies

so it’s not that hard to do a depth-first search of the libraries, objdumping each in turn

and draw a cool graph yep it’s what i’m planning to do python should help a lot

maybe dotty for drawing the graph

\amethyst: yep that’s the plan

could you just use a script to grap the libs and do the ldd on those ?

any programming language, really

\amethyst: obviously. ldd does not work. well it works for what is designed to do

why not ?

btw if for some reason you forgot to link a library to your library ldd won’t spot it

and it won’t work ?

well it works for what is designed to do

don’t be pedantic it’s just that i need another feature that ldd do not have.

uhm ok

pot. kettle. black.

geo-rge: am i pedantic? btw i asked just to be sure not to reinvent the weel wheel

you’re playing that famous game where you ask a question and someone tells you “well you could X” and you reply “Yeah, but Y”

tried asking #gcc ?

my only question is…. what’s your payoff?

geo-rge: no, i’m not good expressing myself in English geo-rge: there’s a bunch of unexperienced people working at a project

or engrish even!

if you weren’t good I wouldn’t understand you

geo-rge: what you say?

geo-rge: the project is quite big, and i don’t want to check manually the missing cascading deps it is frustrating the project relies on a LOT of shared objects and i always have to check where the heck is some symbol

so, what you’re trying to do is come up with something that takes a collection of (what, libs?) and object files and make sure they link?

geo-rge: not just the list, but the graph of which libs pull in which other ones

they don’t have to link all together \amethyst: yep \amethyst: that’s correct it should be quite simple with parsing objdump

geo-rge: the problem with ldd is that is gives all the recursive dependencies, but doesn’t distinguish between direct shlib inclusion and indirect through another library

yep

so what you need is actually a more pedantic, more detailed output

yep exactly maybe something after the make that would be great

what’s the status of ibm graphviz? someone mentioned dotty

after that you can implement an OpenGL stuff… (kidding) geo-rge: i use dot It’s extremely simple.

ok, but I’m more wondering about its dfsg status

dfsg? ah ok asked google

bedboi, you can pretty often also ask dpkg !dfsg

i guess dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines

bash is so powerful. 10 lines of code and i have quite all i need now i just need to do some magic on the symbols

it’s called a shell dear

he’s in love!

shells are so good sometimes people tend to write very complex scripts in python which are doable in 3 lines of shell

yeh, with my wife

ah pipes!

Those 3 lines can be horribly painful to maintain though

why that it is a so simple task

It’s also possible that you’re just using python poorly

i’m not saying python is shitty, it’s just that i’m not so good at it.

Shell spacing and quoting is the source of so many pointless bugs

that’s true

hey, how do I run modual-assistant for a kernel other than the current one?

For some reason, the bacula/bacula-director-mysql script seems horribly broken under debian etch and lenny.

I need to install ndiswrapper, and don’t want to do that without internet.

module man m-a

doesn’t say

lol does to, right up top in the usage i just looked module-assistant [ -fihnqstv ] [ -k source/headers directory ] [ -l kernel versions ]

there is not USAGE section

boo hoo

that doesn’t tell me anything!

-k! module-assistant -k /usr/src/linux-oldversion build module-name

um, how do I know what directory the headers where installed in?

Headers should be in /usr/src/linux-version-number-here

you mean newversion

Whatever, doesn’t really matter, whatever version you need.

by default it’s /usr/src/linux-headers-foo

hi

–kernel-dir The kernel source directories to be used for builds. You can specify multiple directories with multiple options or separated by commas or line separators (e.g using -k “`echo /usr/src/ker- nel-headers-*`” ). The kernel versions detected in this direc- tories are automatically added to the list of target kernel versions (see –kvers-list for details). hey Nyle

how is it going to know how to install the modual bassed on the headers? isn’t there already a binary on my system that it needs to associate the moduals with?

I need to rename 1000 files in a folder. They have spaces in their filenames. I tried for i in *; do mv $i $i.blah; done and it moved only the files that didn’t have spaces in them I admit, I do not know regex

when I run m-a prepare, it does not list my new kernel

can anyone please advise

/join #perl or #bash or both

ok

“$i”

Nyle, there’s a short perlscript called ren

Did you specify -k?

ahh

see also `rename’

ok

Nyle, I can dcc it to you

why bother?

Nyle for i in *; do mv “$i” “${i}.blah”; done

it’s in debian

oh, ok I had it before it was in debian never bothered to find out that it came in there ha I have it installed insteresting

no, I did not. I don’t see as how that maters, really.

yeh i just thought about it when Guerin pointed it out

If you specify it the kernel directory in which to look…

also, I should piont this out that I did it while I was

go figure

Nyle, usage should be like rename ’s/$/.blah/’ hm, my personal version is better for my purposes, because it prints what files are actually renamed well, -v probably does that

thanks

*shock*

just forgot quotes

i had fun writing stoned regexp last night

fuck off dude, you get stoned too ? damn, word man

i spent about 10 minutes writing up a real good one, then an hour later I realised it could be done in about half as many characters

Guerin, kiki helps you get that stoned regex even better

only when I’ve given up on research for the night shiny.

yeh, some 4th grader tried to tell me once when I was in 8th grade, that you can write a virus in C in dos which would be smaller than one written in asm

Hello.

i don’t know why i just remembered that anyway, piont was, he was full of shit he also claimed that the DULLARD code worked in Mortal Kombat II on snes

i smoke the shit grown 100m from my back door

moron cool dude hi

Only on the Genesis version.

it never did mk2 no way

Nyle, did you tell him to try the GULLIBLE code?

you push anythinng but dpad and you select character

heh

lol in mk1 you can actually push the A button cuz it doesn’t select your char if you do down up left left A right down dullard anyway… so yeh, you good a good eye Guerin you spotted that “” or lackthereof myspacebardoesn’tworkanymore i’ve had this wireless keyboard/mouse for 4 years

seeanotherproblemsolved,becausenowyoucannotcreatefileswithspacesanymore

its wearing out on me they spacebarkey is so hard to push the netal bar that goes through it is broke, it jams

perhaps you’re just smoking the wrong kind of weed weakens mind and body ehe

wireless kb = wonderful way to type your password…..

“Service Unavailable” can any one have idea to fix this.?

since they have no encryption whatsoever, much less good encryption

make the service available

yeh

‘

whhat service oh funny fucker aint ya

i should make a wireless keyboard sniffer

i like to answer stupidity with obviousness

give us moreinfo

and take it near some politician’s office

!tell navaladi -about ask

see what kinda juicy stuff i can find

Guys, i’m getting an error while loading one webpage

complain to the webmaster

omg

so the firefox gives an error “service unavailable”

its not firefox’s fault and firstly

Uhh…

fuck all that, debian doesn’t HAVE firefox wtf are you using?

Did you seriously come to an OS support channel to ask for Firefox issues?

hehe

Doesn’t reply to VERSION, whatever it is.

pls wait guys..

anyone know of any good tools to try and dictionary attack ssh? it’s a cisco 800 router

i thought it’s debian/firefox specific issue

hi

Why would it be?

debian does NOT have firefox.

i have a problem with cdrom, it not reconize, but i can boot on it

thanks

Nyle, it has, debian people are just too stupid to call it that way

I think oldstable *sarge* was updated to also include a rebrand

when i see on hdb i can see this

i think

probing with STATUS(0×54) instead of ALTSTATUS(0×50) an idea ?

iceweasel != firefox

thanks, i’ll do

ice != fire fox != weasel kthx.

name one difference that matters?

the name umm.. licensing huge matter c’mon dude

‘that matters’

yes it matters

not really

not to you but to debian it does

ex-act-ly

and it matters to people who want completely free software

it matters … that’s what debian is about

no restrictions

read the DFSG

no thanks

!policy

policy is probably available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices, or those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly.

and it does not matter to anyone using it

yes it does

perhaps to some weirdos

well i mean

maybe dunno

or most of the debian developers

i search any help for my problem of cdrom :o(

*USERS*

throat, the difference is that debian is not allowed to distribute it as “firefox”

i know

this was not debian’s decision afaik; it was ultimatum from the ff developers

you have to install a useragent changer extension or do it yourself in about:config to change the name to firefox in browser identification in order to install say google toolbar and other addons that search specically for string ‘firefox’

who are proprietary windows lamers…

but from the guy who’s asking viewpoint, that is of no avail

!iceweasel

from memory, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about why iceweasel.

It is not hard to find the setting in about:config

\amethyst: i was listin all possible

indeed. debian was happy using firefox, mozilla was not happy with debian calling it that

btw i know one huge difference in iceweasel, indic languages, tibetan, mongolian, uighur, etc. render correctly in firefox they do not, on linux

the iceweasel is more cute then the firefox=?

well cuz debian kicks ass

because the mozilla idiots build their binaries with pango disabled

no no stop. ^^

?

where will sarcasm get you? no where.

what sarcasm? there was none he used an outright insult

and you mispelled than no i was talking to you cute comment

that wasnt sarcasm either

boring…. *yawn* you still around?

but thanks for calling my comment cute

im gonn go play mario that was the first game i ever plaed super mario world on snes i was 12 years old,only played computers and ataris and such before it bye now

how od i get a configure script when theres only a configure.ac and a make file.in

Hi folks, I am moving the deb install from sda to sdb, What rsync options do I need to completely back up a non-running parition (O/S partition) ? Tried it with with -rpv and it kernel panic’d out with some problem with /sbin/init and I figure that those “non-regular files” that didn’t get dealt with might be the problem ?!? TMIA!

temporarily

I’m running the transfer / backup from a rescue CD…

hey if i have twinview setup can i somehow make it so i have 2 different desktops instead of stretching teh desktop across both screens like one screen is one workspace, the other screen is another workspace sorta

disable xinerama

what is that? where do i disable it

k`zan, i always use -aPv with rsync -r is NOT sufficient

dalias, Backing up / moving a OS install partition?

for any use at all

ugh, I can’t do the ctrl+alt zoom thing in X anymore now that I got this damn LCD

-r does not preserve ownership, symlinks, devices, etc.

dalias, OK, I had been using the -rpv never had problems (for some reason) before this. Let me give that a shot. Thanks VERY *VERY* much!

-a = -rlptgoD = recurse, preserve links, permissions, times, groups, owners, and devices

Ah, ok that makes sense.

just like with cp, -a is the good version of -r -r is the bad version you should never use also

OK, will wipe the parition and do it again with -aPv

you might need to unmount /proc while you make the copy

Partition is not running, just mounted.

proc can confuse things a lot ah ok

for the rsync

I used to cheat when I wanted to see small images or videos full screen that got shitty looking after being streched past a certain point by zooming in the resolution.. I can’t seem to do that now that I have a LCD

doing this off of a rescue cd.

nvz, if you have an lcd, zooming the resolution will look even more shitty

doesnt matter cause I can’t do it

because the lcd just does the scaling back to full-resolution in the hardware and does a very poor job of it

I dont know any other tricks.. gqview lets me do two pass zooming and with the quality set to hyper its decent but depending on how small the source image is and how large the full screen resolution is, it still looks pretty bad the damn resolution on this LCD is like 1280×1024 which is probably like 5-10x larger than some of the images I want to display right now. streching them to that size they don’t look too good

LOL

sucks worse with video cause detail seems to count more when watching shows I liked being able to go to a lower res on my CRT

\amethyst: i mangaed to do that s/mangaed/managed *** The unres symbol new_pi_low_client in file libpientity.so is resolved in libpilowclient.so now i know that libpientity depends on libpilowclient it is so simple

but photo editing is much easier when you can make out what you are editing

find / needs 50 minutes on my Ubuntu 7.04 computer with an Intel M processor. Is there a benchmark to compare the performance of several Linux computers for operations like find?

so cool

i would imagine find / performance is going to depend on the filesystem and drive and how much is cached :/

maybe locate command?

and, the number of files/directories in short… why the heck are you trying to benchmark a thing like that?

why would you bother to benchmark something so meaningless? stop eating my brain

mmmm braainmeats

does that go well with frybread?

geo-rge: i managed to do that stuff geo-rge: it was so simple…

i created a user without its home directory how do i add home directory to this user?

do you use KDE or gnome?

Stop trolling.

or something else?

Impossible, since I never started.

he brings up a perfectly valid point

no man, it’s server no gui

How can I know which process using my specific file?

lsof

lsof/fuser

edit /etc/passwd

i need kde to assign home directory to user?

no.

Oh TNX alot

It is of meaning to strive for a better performance of long-lasting operations a find /.

is there a command to assign home directory to a user?

as

you’ll see where each user is assigned a home directory in the /etc/passwd file. Just add the directory to the user you want and create the directory manually.

so you’re going to use your computer to run find /?

so there is no known command to assign a home directory to a user, is that correct?

Not that I’m aware of, but that definitely doesn’t mean there isn’t one.

Stop trolling.

usermod?

i suggest using a ramfs for your entire install - it will give you the best find / performance.

nothing like usermod and stuff?

tmpfs may also do it, but that will put stuff in swap if the memory is needed by other programs - i don’t know if that will be an issue for your setup

looks like usermod -d /home/directory should do it.

usermod - Modify a user account

that’s what im looking for. thanks

dalias, -aPv worked out fine, running off the new partition now, THANKS!

usermod -d as root

nvz, hey, lcd sucks. sorry

you can see all the options by typing man usermod.

cool

I like the picture and the fact that its a bigger viewable area and weight less and takes up less space just don’t like the fixed resolution

yeah well it’s a fixed number of dots

i like the sharpness, and am willing to live with the fixed resolution for it

i like the way a crt de-pixellates text

and most modern CRTs use shadow invar masks, which i absolutely can not stand

the point is that you were benchmarking by distro. That’s going to result in pointless results, since distro choice is extremely unlikely to make a blind bit of difference (and unless you control for more important factors your results will be fucking meaningless)

they can’t even draw a straight line due to it (straight lines end up jagged..)

what is shadow invar mask?

the triangle junk

i only use old crts anyway

If I’m building from source, how do I add my own patch after all of debian patches?

and calling people who raise valid methodological cautions against your poorly-thought-through schemes `trolls’ is hardly rasigin your credibility

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/Shadow_mask_closeup_cursor.jpg/200px-Shadow_mask_closeup_cursor.jpg

guerin, is bullgard4 trying to compare how fast distros perform “find /” ? all this will determine is which distro installed more bloat…

Apparently.

that’s what his initial question implied. no. All it will determine is how much data is present; on what filesystem and what hardware

debian probably doesn’t even have ‘find’ in the base distro, in which case it would win easily

Three trolls altogether-

shadow invar masks can’t draw straight horizontal/vertical lines because of the pixel layout (depicted above).. they draw like \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

find: command not found”

i don’t think that word means what you think it means.

anyone here run more than one X screen

at least, at the resolution they’re designed to run at

!anyone use more than one X screen?

No, no one uses more than one X screen, not even the people who use it.

ok

I use more than one X screen.

i am having trouble getting this 2nd monitor to work

yeah I did too.

every time i configure nvidia-settings, either both screens stay black (off)

aperture grills produce superior quality IMHO, and those used to be common, but they are very very rare now

or it freezes my laptop

also sounds familiar. Good luck.

zinx, ah

any idea what i am doing wrong, Sebboh ?

Do you have a vid card with two video outputs, or two vid cards? Oh, laptop.

yea laptop screen plus VGA - out hooked up to another monitor

I have no idea. But if you want, throw your xorg.conf in a pastebin I’ll take a look

ok

plain old vga-out tends to only work INSTEAD of internal, because there’s still only one video device. bah stiv2k_:

can I get that rotating cube desktop on KDE?

you have my permission.

I have failed to do so thus far. :/

so i cant do it unless i have 2 video cards?

depends on the machine, but probably not.

http://pastebin.com/m52bbdff9

stiv2k_, uh, what guerin is saying is.. not.. really.. well, valid.

it works in other (inferior) operating systems.

o shit

sure it is. What I’m saying is that it depends on the machine, which it manifestly does.

i see 2 Device sections there maybe thats the problem?

if it works on windows, it’ll work on unix. The limitation of which I speak is hardware, not software/drivers.

Guerin, most laptops support ‘extend desktop’ in windows. He’s got nvidia… so, the extend desktop technology for linux hosting is called twinview. ..for nvidia. It’s something else for ati.

correct i had twinview working but i didnt like it

does his? that’s ultimately the question.

i want to have one workspace on one monitor, and another workspace on the other monitor instead of spanning it across two screens ya feel?

I’ve never seen one that could do it in Windows. I’ve never seen one that couldn’t do it in Windows.

stiv, *shrug* take what you can get. look here http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors at twinview. It might also be possible to do what you want, dunno. I’ve seen two device entries point at the same device.. Those were desktop machines I think, though.

i see

the annoying thing you can’t do in windows is clone the same output to both screens (with most drivers)

you had twinview working, just saw that. Ok, well, you’re ahead of the curve here.

again, that depends on the hardware.

Yes, but all the laptops I’ve ever worked with have a clone mode handled by their hardware. The only downside is that the resolution must always be the same in that case.

is it saying to justm ake 2 device entries thats it?

guerin, i’m talking about hardware where the linux drivers support clone but the windows ones don’t… which is a big problem when you need to show a movie on the external display and the video card’s overlay only works on ‘monitor 1′ and WiMP doesn’t have an option to disable overlay

i haven’t ever had to do such things in windows

so you just get a nice black window…. i had this happen to a presenter who was a friend of mine

stiv2k_, in looking at your xorg.conf, I see that you have almost exactly the setup that is supposed to enable what you want. I notice that you have screen declarations in your device sections.. That does either nothing, or something bad, I think. (Notice that you declare a device in each screen, so, what’s the point of the other way around?)

i just have a long bit o’ coax and a vga-rf box plugged in between my video card and monitor and tv

after trying to help him fix it for 10 minutes i ran 3 or 4 blocks to get my laptop out of my car and brought it back to use

i dunno i didnt configure it nvidia-settings did

hello i am running debian testing for days now i lost many days aptitude update is getting me no upgradeable packages and no nerw packages is this really happening or there there something wrong with my intetrnet connection or repositories or something?

Never used that. Tried, it failed with some error message. Look at that wiki page, it has some good info, for the multiple screen method that you want, too, I think.

change mirrror

so, how do I get the rotating cube desktop in kde? What do I install?

ok so other people are seeing testing updating as nrmal recently?

hey guys can I completely disable local console ?

lkthomas_, ?

which means user see nothing even plugin local monitor

don’t start any getty’s??

i suppose you could, but what’s the need? are you trying to save 500k of memory?

dalias, ours is not to reason why.. ours is but to do and die.

because that’s about the only benefit i can think of

I don’t want client to messing around with our box

umm

i should imagine you’d be 100% behind such a project

console does not allow messing around with the box

lkthomas_, if the client has physical access..

you need a password to login

let’s assume they know a bit on linux

dedicating hundreds of dev-hours to saving a few hundred k seem to be *exactly* where you’re at

lkthomas_, a screwdriver is the most powerful hacking tool known to man.

you know it could crack anyway

lkthomas_, nothing once linux starts can be cracked however they can just boot it from a cd if they want to… or take the hdd out and put it in another machine

and they can just boot it and change it back

don’t start getty and it should work, right ?

but having the console login prompt there is NOT USEFUL at all to keep people out

thats a stupid idea.

lkthomas_, nothing once linux starts can be cracked

it is absolutely impossible to use it to get logged in unless you know the password sebboh, on the console, yes

safe mode

he has become well-known for his unfounded, hilarous statements over the past couple days

lkthomas_, um, thats not once secure linux web hosting is started that’s in grub or something (i dunno; i’ve never used grub)

there was a bug in login recently which echoed the root password to a terminal under certain conditions in cleartext that ain’t pretty

 

Cheapest blog host.

 

LOL good one!

of course, you had to ENTER it first

you got to love it

dalias, I guarentee that I could at least DoS a box using nothing than the keyboard, come on. DoS Crash Execute, of course, but, it’s a start.

Hi, anyone know a way of finding out the exact mm dimensions of my monitor with any sort of probing commands?

eyeometer

ok

or better still, lengthometer aka `ruler’

heh

LOL

oh well, good night

use your fucking ruler man

and dont troll

sebboh, dos a box with a keyboard? how?

hehe, just wanted to find something exact

maybe if it was compiled with magic sysrq…

ctrl+alt+del

lol

heh

ctrl+alt+del should be the first thing you disable when installing a box… there’s a /proc way to disable it, an inittab way to disable it, and a loadkeys way to disable it doing all 3 is the best

dalias, overun the the keyboard buffers, make it use the PC speaker, (the keyboard buffers I guess raise an interrupt to beep when they are full, puts the whole system in a wait state!)

fail

At least, that’s what happened on a pentium.. Have things changed?

sebboh, nope

yes by several hundred orders of magnitude

maybe

ps2 mouse stopped working in debian

you can’t overrun the keyboard buffers

oh shit.. you’re right. usb? Damn….

the max repeat rate is 30 chars/sec

Dalias, uh.. we’re obviously not speaking the same language here.

seems you’re both speaking stupidese to me

you’ve never made your pc beep by setting a book on the keyboard?

just different dialects thereof, perhaps

sebboh, it doesn’t do any harm to the box

wtf i got it to work but i dont know how

regardless

Sure it did, in the pentium days. Although, I do recall now that the newer systems would do a fast beep at some point, and I guess clear the buffers (discard input) because the system would start responding again after a few fast beeps. good sti

no idea what you mean. this is an os bug if anything (dos/windows perhaps?) i’ve used linux systems for 10 years, including on original pentiums, with no such problem from the keyboard

no no, it was hardware. The bus got flooded with interrupts.. remember interrupts?

umm i know what interrupts are the computer can handle millions per second

I am sure that it would not work with a USB keyboard. I’ll try it later tonight if I can find a ps2 keyboard around.

the keyboard does not generate millions of interrupts per second you’re talking nonsense i don’t use usb keyboards never have and never will because i only use the ibm click keyboard (model m) regardless

the problem was that the cpu entered a wait state until the speaker finished a beep, each beep was like 500ms long, and you could generate new beeps in the queue at a rate of 30/s… But yes, regardless indeed.

there is no way to compromise a linux machine that has been properly configured using the local console of course you can with physical access if you open up the machine or attach other devices to it but the keyboard and standard devices attached to it are not sufficient to DoS it or to obtain privileges

quit interrupting :p

sebboh, linux does NOT remain in the interrupt handler during beeps that would make the system utterly useless you’re thinking of DOS

I think it was hardware, but, yes, I’m sure that it could not happen to a modern system.

it’s software, i.e. dos/windows nothing in the pc hardware regarding keyboards has changed since 1987 or so…

how do i add a user to su group so user can su

even at vs ps/2 is just a different plug no internal differences

And, I accept your statement that you can’t do anything bad to a linux box if all you have is the keyboard and you don’t have any login creditials. ..I accept it to a point. I wouldn’t trust the statement absolutely; like with computers that control nuclear power plants or something.

well forget about the keyboard. if the computer controls a nuclear power plant, the fact that someone could have physical access is already problematic enough

WOrking now, thanks, got a question for re-doing grub at this point - I think I should do the “root (hd1,1)” and re-run setup (hd0) or should that be hd1 (this is the mbr?!?).

for instance if they could screw with the keyboard they could also open up the box and attach stuff inside… or put a keylogger in the keyboard etc.

Dalias, yeah, I know that.. I also know that there is a pin going directly off the ps2 controller down the bus straight into the cpu. Even when teh keyboard controller was rolled into a bigger chip that did serial and such, too, it was the same. Now, when physical IRQ lines went away, things changes..

k`zan, sorry, i don’t know grub..

No problem, thanks for getting me this far.

k`zan, when switching root drives, i normally boot from a floppy or cd

Anyone know in detail about sshd_config’s ? Like if it requires a valid authorization key only to connect via ssh, like what are teh steps to set it up for an ip eactly? anyone know thanks

grub-install hd0 from bash …

k`zan, and reinstall the bootloader (i use lilo myself) after booting the new root fs using the bootdisk

vigilant, what are you trying to set up? You can do hosts allow to *restrict* connections to a certain IP, but, even then, you generally still need to authenticate via a password or key.

ip-based authentication is extremely insecure if you want that, use rsh rsh is made for ip-based auth and its unencrypted but encryption is useless if you’re using ip-based auth because anyone who could sniff the session could just spoof their ip instead and get their own login shell

root (hd1,1) says that /boot is on the second partition of the second hd well / but it’s looking for /boot/grub

hmm new wine packages i wonder if the last ones had a big bug

and if windows was on hda1 you would grub-install hd0 to put grub in the mbr of the first disk

cos a windows program i was testing for a friend seemed to go bogus after my last apt-get upgrade

i guess it’s dangerous to be a spambot

Night folks!

can someone give me a hint please? It seems “/lib/udev/vol_id –export /dev/.tmp-8-0″ is causing constant READ activity on a SCSI disk I just hooked up to my machine. The disk was from a RAID set, so perhaps it’s trying to verify stuff? Not sure. How do I stop it is what I’d like to know? Thanks in advance (I’d like to stop it because, I can’t even access the disk due to the read onslaught udev is causing to it)

!blame udev

heh I’ve done that a bunch of times

hey is it true that glibc is going to be changed to lgplv3?

all gnu software will be v3

if so, how the hell will debian deal with that? (since you can’t distribute gplv2-only programs linked to it)

for what I believe should be obvious reasons

two different sonames perhaps

having to have 2 different versions of glibc on all debian systems sounds like a big problem

By RMS’s rsi-infested hands, it is very obvious.

devs will have to update their licenses. Not hard, since almost all are `v2 or later’

guerin, there’s plenty of ‘v2 only’ software by people who absolutely refuse to change it

where `dev’ in this case means `anyone’

so that’s not possible

and those people will go the way of David Dawes

i don’t think debian will remove all this software from the dist no

or a v2 fork of libc will emerge

for instance, linux. (but linux doesn’t link to glibc anyway so t’s no problem) i think a v2 fork of glibc is much more likely which would be a great thing

meh

because ulrich drepper is incompetent there are plenty of glibc bugs he’s absolutely refused to fix for irrational reasons

i dispute the `plenty’ in your statement

the uclibc authors have documented some of the cases

anyone have a debian binary of thc’s hydra? (I apperently can’t compile it *shrug*)

how to use dpkg command for #debian

i doubt there are many projects which need to link against glibc who wouldn’t change

to Q a package

man dpkg

no

yes

guerin, all projects need to link against _some_ libc and moreover even if they would change, many of the authors have disappeared even finding them all would be a nightmare

I mean issue a command on this channel

not at all true. All *c* projects do.

!tell popt -about search

/msg dpkg help

guerin, libc is the only direct link to system facilities

Guerin, yes, that’s it thx

all other-language programs indirectly use the libc through their language’s wrappers

if the license is v2 only and the author won’t/can’t change, then he’ll be consigned to the dustbin of history unless a viable v2-only community arises which frankly I can’t see

well there is one atm eh or recently

not to my knowledge

guerin, i think you’re unaware of the amount of v2-only software out there

pre v3

there’s a very strong `v2 or later’ community, but that’s not the same

for instance links/elinks

how do I install A PACKAGE contain libevent lib?

perhaps I am

busybox

two moderately popular and reasonably useful projects but tbh, that don’t make a community

busybox is absolutely opposed to v3 because it has some requirements that are unsuitable to their userbase. “v2 or later” would work for them except they hate v3 on principle

then apt-get install something popt

elinks is not opposed to v3, but relicensing all the code and contacting all the contributors would be prohibitively much work

the devs who object so strongly to the FSF’s direction would all use BSDL instead of [L]GPL

why?

jetscreamer, oh

there are people who like the GPL but don’t want to be subjects to the whims of the FSF

is it not obvious? BSDL is for people who don’t care about what happens to their code (notwithstanding TdR’s recent whining). FSF licenses are for people who *do* care.

anyone have a debian binary or .deb of thc’s hydra? (I apperently can’t compile it *shrug*)

\amethyst: yes, again, I’d predict these are a diminishing minority.

i mildly dislike v3, but i would never use bsd licenses i despise proprieatry software and want to see it become a thing of the past

it looks like with the release of new debian old mouse stops working, first serial mouse became use less now ps2 what next

correlation does not imply causation

gpl v2 is perfectly good for that goal. v3 is just full of unnecessary bloat and confusing language. i don’t mind licensing my code under ‘gpl v2 or later’

I love that line.

but gpl v2 is the version i will distribute in my source tarballs

i disagree: it closes an important loophole which would eventually have rendered GPLv2 irrelevant as hypervisors became more common.

that line doesn’t make my mouse work

hypervisors are irrelevant

only you can make your mouse work. i suggest offering him more cheese not to TiVo, Inc.

they are. if someone makes a program based on mine, and they use some code-signing nonsense to cripple their hardware so that it can’t run modified versions… they’re still obligated to distribute the source and sane people just won’t buy the hardware they’ll build and run the source on an unrestricted piece of hardware

demonstrably untrue; see TiVo. i mean seriously. have you thought about this at all?

tivo is scum, yes yes

it’s not apparent

i’ve thought about it in-depth for several years

but then, given your previous rants that isn’t surprising

anyway ‘fixing’ the tivo issue in gpl v2 could have been a 1-line diff defining source code as everything needed to build a working version of the program on the platform for which the binary was made they didn’t need to make the document 3x longer to do that…

the future under GPLv2 is the death of the consumer PC, to be replaced by an appliance running a proprietary hypervisor, inside which runs free software. That’s not good, hackers, that’s not good.

moreover no that’s bullshit fud

but that’s not a meaningful definition of source code.

moreover

Where are the links to Debian 3.0 “woody” CD ISOs?

!woody

from memory, woody is the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about “woody-sarge”. Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISO-s are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/. Ask me about archive.

if i have programs for which i care, i’ll be happy to put a note with the license saying that, as the author, i consider source code to include any and all data needed to rebuild the binary’

no legal or technical mechanism was in place to prevent it from happening, and the market imperatives (presuming the superiority of free software, all else equal) would have ensured it

check the memory requirements

you can’t just go and make up definitions. That way lies years in courtrooms, and you losing your code because you can’t afford to pay lawyers/. because you’re up against Sony

no, no one will even use my code anyway if they do, they won’t even document the fact that they did they’ll lie

well, if it’s as well-constructed as your arguments that much is clear

and sicne it’s binaryware no one will likely discover the theft i bet 99% of proprietary software contains stolen gpl code

i would take that bet, if it were provable

some more than others, yes, but i bet nearly all of it contains _some_ gpl code because some coder was lazy and figured no one would ever notice especially for small things

heh i love coinspiracy theorists

hey

um

s/in/n/

i’m on mplayer team, we see our code taken all the time

in twinview, how do i get my panel to only be on one screen?

mplayer is a special case, though.

and our colleages’ in other projects

cause right now it is only on one screen but its on the wrong one =-o

man, I love mplayer.

like xvid someone a few years back copied the whole xvid into a proprietary product and claimed they wrote it

stupid people are everywhere

not stupid kids on the InTaRwEb, that happens all the time

how can I make the text out put of “make” dump into a text file?

a real company did it

remember Hanlon’s Razor

another company copied mplayer

\real companies are run by real stupid people i’ve worked for some

and forgot to remove the messages, so “strings their.bin” showed all the messages and copyright notices from mplayer

file

k, wasn’t sure what would happen if I did that

file will grab errors too

err, no

so the first line won’t do that?

guerin, are you sure that’s the right order? the 2&1 has to be AFTER the file

bah, i’m stupid yes

I would like everything to put it in a pastebin so someone might be able to see the problem uI would like everything to put it in a pastebin so someone might be able to see the problem/u

ok time for me to reboot and test my upgrade to see if that wine issue was fixed…

stiv2k_, I know how to do that. one sec.

ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/100.14.11/README/chapter-13.html

(need to reboot because libc and lots of libs were upgraded, and if i don’t, there’ll be 2 copies in memory and horrible swapping )

http://linux.hfds.com/files/xorg.conf.debian

stiv2k_, right click the panel, or taskbar. Then on the arangement section.. See where it says xinerama screen. You can select which screen the panel will appear on. jetscreamer, did I misunderstand his/her question?

he wants to switch his monitors

btw, on the subject of the hordes accepting closed hardware.. Look at iphone. “the SDK is AJAX”.. whatever that means.

right.

if your way works, mine does too, so that’s 2 diff methods clone, leftof, rightof connectedmonitor blahblah

Jet, well, .. no, our methods are different. He would have to switch the physical placement of his monitors .. and the leftof/rightof.. In order to get the mouse jump and the panel to match.

sebboh, lol iphone is crap

omfg goodnight.

for plenty of reasons other than lack of skd sdk

And lots of people buy it.. my point, you see.

and they’re not going to modify software anyway

you can control all that with twinview settings

anyone who wants to modify software and use free software wouldn’t buy such crap but i was thinking more of the battery situation

*shrug* I’m a nokia 800 man, myself. Completely open. ..Doesn’t have the multitouch screen, but I’m sure that the next version will. ..It would have to.

such idiotic design any device with intentionally-non-user-replacable parts of short lifespan is crap especially cars like that stuff you have to get routine service done on, and which you have to take to the dealer to get serviced

hi

jetscreamer, the panel is placed on one monitor, the other, or both, by KDE. It’s a runtime config option.

which kernel version supports ext3 online resizing (while fs is mounted)

checking for OpenSSL directory… configure: error: Could not find a linkable OpenSSL. You can specify an explicit path using –with-ssl-dir but Ive already get opessl insgtalled

popt, do you have openssl devel package installed?

Option “TwinViewOrientation” “relationship of head 1 to head 0″ Option “ConnectedMonitor” “list of connected display devices”

i thought it was since 2.6.13

DEVELOPMENT package

openssl dev?

hey

anyway

whats the way to stop xdm from running other than uninstalling it?

dalias, you’re kinda bitter and weird. Let’s be pragmatic here.. the iphone will be upgraded/replaced long before that battery goes out. Apple will put recycling bins in the Apple stores and ofter trade in rebates, no doubt. The physical integrity of the case would be compromised by a battery cover–just like my cell phone which I hate.

chmod -x /etc/init.d/xdm or edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager

hi

sebboh, well, perhaps. because apple fanboys are the kinda ppl with way too much money who buy new phones every year…

print in mozilla-firefox, the system hangs

why is it happening

opensel-dev? no such pacjage package

or how can i analyse the problem?

openssl ?

i’ve had my phone 2.5 years now and the battery is rather weak.

or libcurl3-openssl-dev — is this one I should install?

and i don’t intend to replace the phone anytime soon but i might replace the batt

no idea

checking for OpenSSL directory… configure: error: Could not find a linkable OpenSSL. You can specify an explicit path using –with-ssl-dir

i do not know

am I missing…?

libssl-dev

i can rephrase if needed

sebboh, “physical integrity of the case” is something metrosexual apple fanboi types care about

what package are you installing?

libssl-dev, try installing

ppl with a clue care more about practicality and responsible-to-the-user design

I mean, what package are you compiling?

.. Right. Hordes. Back to the gpl issue, hypervisors, and web services.. Although, I predict an outcome different from what both of you predict: less open source software in general. *shrug* Nine words the Eclectic Rede attest: Steal what works, fix what’s broke, fake the rest.

\amethyst, not me

doh what package are you compiling?

sebboh, why do you predict less?

tor

almost all of the best software now is free software

dude…. this is me! Nine words the Eclectic Rede attest: Steal what works, fix what’s broke, fake the rest.

5 years ago that was only true for server and ‘behind the scenes’ software now it’s true for the desktop software the user sees inkscape is leagues better than adobe illustrator, etc.

Dalias, pine used to piss me off. Then it was firefox. Now it’s lame. This is the reason I still have a windows box under my desk. Get it right or don’t, guys, I’m just a user. I’ll use what works.

gimp is arguably better than photoshop, except you have all the silly photoshop fanbois who consider their knowledge of photoshop a huge asset and don’t want to be displaced by gimp users huh?

inkscape is NOT better than adobe, ffs.

what do you use that works better than firefox?

Good lord I’ve used both.

The following packages cannot be authenticated! zlib1g-dev libssl-dev what does this mean?

fix the apt key

illustrator is unusable for non-european languages…

what sourse source

dalias, I use firefox, it was missing from debian for a while, lame (mp3 encoder) still is. So is pine, afiak, although somebody wrote a package that will download it and build it for me.

use an official source?

is this a non-free package?

alpine

(and presumably lacks latin ligature support too, meaning it’s sub-typographic quality, not suitable for professional use)

funny i have lame

yes, I use official source

i’m lame

sebboh, oh, now i’m confused. i thought you were saying pine, ff, etc. suck but you were complaining that debian didn’t package them? pine does suck. bad. use mutt.

not for imap

pine lacks any degree of utf-8 support and corrupts charsets in emails when replying and forwarding

of course, good luck rewriting your username in smtp

Yes, I don’t use debian because it’s free as in speech, I use it beause it’s free as in beer, and it rocks. I can make more money with debian under my desk (and free as in speech is good for my clients, too, I’ll admit.)

klys, ?

at least for me, pine obstructs my ability to use /etc/email-addresses

as for firefox/iceweasel. yes it’s a pain sometime, but much less so than msie

sure pine sucks, I liked it when I was in highschool. Whatever.

opera might be nicer at times, but being non-free will kill it it will eventually become unmaintained when the company goes under, and then no more updates so imo unless they free it, it’s a dead-end

Dude I had to bring in an unofficial repos to convert from quicktime to flash video. ..Flash videos use mp3.

actually if some big company wants to advance free software… they should buy out opera and free it (ibm or someone, for instance) that would revolutionize things and throw a big wrench in microsoft’s and google’s gears

Hah, speaking of big companies and free software, –and IBM, exactly. Wtf is up with IBM and eclipse? ..I have never seen that business model before..

hm? what is the business model? i don’t know anything about eclipse

IBM’s entire Rational product line is now eclipse based products!!!

except that it’s some popular windows text-editor or something

I just–wtf dude. Text editor?

is that a different eclipse?

i don’t understand why opera doesn’t do that yes, yes, I know they license the embedded one it’s a *java* text-editor.

ahh

not a windows one, but almost as bad

java = windows

wtf

ok, windows+macosx +slowlaris

man, just when I think i’ve heard the dumbest-arsed thing anyone can say, he comes out with something new plus every other OS anyone’s bothered implementing it for

java is not portable until there’s a working free implementation

IBM’s rational product line is a hundreds of millions dollar a year business, and it’s all eclipse based now. AND, 50% of the real guts of it are open source. the whole EMF thing? ..Nobody uses that. Except IBM. And IBM empoyees made it, on the clock, afaik.. I just don’t know.. why… ??

and even then, i would not call java portable

the spec is free. The sun implementation was freed (is being freed) because it *was* being reimplemented.

rather it’s its own platform that runs in an emulator on top of other platforms guerin, it hasn’t been freed yet… major parts are missing

hence the parenthetical statement

sun just did that to slow down reimplementors

although some argue that sun have freed all they legally can

tricking them that the sun version would be freed soon

OMFG Dude, once again, use what works. I can use java on my frickin’ 2002 model cell phone. And I can code for it in Eclipse, I can model for it in Rational (which is also eclipse).. I just don’t know how IBM or Sun profit from that at all.

i’m not 100% familiar with the case

to get them to give up coding reimplementations

gah ffs how do i get the 2nd display to stop turning off whenever i close the lid of the laptop

mindshare is profit.

sebboh, what do you mean by “use what works” ?

disable the trip switch on the bezel

i use emacs because it’s what works it’s built on a much better language than java

I’m sorry.

dalias, and I use Sun Java(tm) because I lose money every second I waste trying to figure out what the hell gjc is.

well yes. i just don’t touch java tho

hi all. I forgot how to do this: forward a remote website (port 80) to a local port through ssh. can anyone please remind me? thanks

dalias, dude.. you just compared emacs (or.. C? or.. the underlying scripting language within emacs?) to java. wtf. None of those comparisons work. Which did you mean?

google ssh tunnel. might use putty

would you know

stiv, uh, two options. three options. Bios. Third party tool to configure the laptop. Third party tool to configure the video card. Four options. Disable the switch physically. Now, when I refer to third party tool to configure the laptop, basically I’m saying, is it a ThinkPad? ‘Cause they got mad linux utilities. They got one that gives you access to the accelerometer as a character device.

sebboh, emacs is written (mostly) in lisp and tightly integrated with lisp

I fail to believe that emacs is written in lisp because I don’t have to install a lisp interpreter to build emacs afaik.

HP

I read the other day that they used to market ‘lisp machines’.. dedicated hardware.

emacs is a lisp interpreter (too)

stiv, the 3 (4) options remain. valdyn, of dubious strict.. strict-ness. What’s that word?

structure? stricture? scripture?

sebboh, emacs _is_ a lisp interpreter (that’s the C part) plus a lot of lisp programs which make up the actual editing the basic buffer management, screen management, etc. is written in C, but all the manipulations of the basic structures and data are written in lisp

any suggestions as to the 3rd party tool?

My understanding of why I never picked up emacs has been greatly enhanced. stiv, nfi. HP? Don’t have one. Nvidia? Came with the computer. Google? hp laptop unix utilies but with an extra t.

what about a tool for nvidia cards

is that acpi controlled? ‘tail -f /var/log/acpid’ and close/open the lid.

linux.hp.com

sebboh, actually i was pissed with the ‘lisp bloat’ for a long time, and even considering writing a minimal emacs work-alike in just C (without all the advanced features and customizability of course) but over the past year i discovered just how great the customizability can be

I did get scheme48 for fun the other day.. I got as far as linking one .. thing? Object? to another and quit.

appears to be

lots of troubles i ran into were solved by just one line of lisp

scripts are in /etc/acpi/

dalias, thats how I was when I discovered regex. ..Just this week I saw some builtins in python that make me moist on a deep personal level. ..I’ll have to see how fast they are, but, looks good so far. Yes, I bet that lisp could do it better, but, I don’t know lisp. Or, you know, math. valdyn, good work! that must be what islaptop does. Does debian have islaptop or is that just ubuntu? yikes I’ve IRC’d late into the night again. Goodnight all. Sorry for the inane off topic chatter. uyikes I’ve IRC’d late into the night again. Goodnight all. Sorry for the inane off topic chatter./u (dalias is too.)

how may i determine the maximum number of files my system may have open at once?

rainboww, hmm, well, there’s gonna be a fork() involved, I’ll tell you that much.

Moin!

sebboh, haha

the weird thing is, the power manager applet is set to not do anything when the lid is closed but it still blacks the screen

might be a built in screen switch

hm ghey the reason i am asking is cause when i wanna watch a movie, i want to close the laptop screen and watch it on the other screen isntead of having 2 of the same thing on both screens its kinda distracting

stereo movie!

lol

i know debian is all about free souce, but is there a repository where i can find a flash player ? free software/ open sorece my bad nevermind open source …

!flash

rumour has it, flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer

thancks dpkg

Could someone suggest me a good control panel for lenny, I need them for my clients (GUI).

um, what kinda control panel?

control panel GUI to modify bind zones and probably apache

hgjhg

stiv2k_, I got it. Disable DPMS for the second monitor. Won’t help if the vid card stops sending the image, though.

wtf is avahi-daemon

Could someone suggest me a good control panel for lenny that looks about BIND/Apache, I need them for my clients (GUI). bCould someone suggest me a good control panel for lenny that looks about BIND/Apache, I need them for my clients (GUI)./b

pong

moin

how do i get colors in a terminal?

Hi, I’ve just installed transmission an bittorrent program and it does not show in my menus

do i need to install any particular packages for that to work?

Like this: $ echo -e “\33[0;32mfoo\33[0m”

how do i edit a user’s group so he can su to root

debian is the OS not the software, you should ask the organizaiton that made the software.

plz

and btw, where did you find such an obscure client?

you need to configure /etc/pam.d/su

for what

add him to group wheel wheel = su user group

can i use a command to do it usermod i guess

prolly idk

it’s bad idea to manually edit those files don’t tell ppl that

i always do it in adduser

there is no tool to edit PAM modules configuration files.

why do i need to edit PAM module configuration file isn’t PAM for authentication what modules is in PAM

su is one of them

Does debian get name servers from the dhcp on your modem? if so is there a way to STOP this

su is most probably controlled by PAM, unless you have not standart system configuration.

i dont wanna use my isp’s crappy nameservers

ping

Hello. I’m currently using Psi for my Jabber communication, including some AOL and MSN transports (sigh!), but there’s a MAJOR bug in Psi; there’s no way to ignore incoming subscription requests which is plenty anoying when spam bots go rampaging. I get several requests from the same sender per day. Now, the question is; is there a better jabber client?

if you know which group is allowed to ’su’ (probably ‘root’) then you can use usermod to modify a user account to belong to this group. Otherwise you can configure PAM’s su to allow other groups to use ’su’.

UNKNWON GROUP WHEELS

just add the user to group wheel, thats the su group for every nix distro no s just ‘wheel’

unknown group wheel

how about pidgin? It supports them all and is very nice. One problem, it’s GTK based.

why would su become a module?

wheel is on BSD.

thats odd, you must have modified your user groups no its not

new installation..

there is no wheel group in Debian.

i added my normal user to group wheel in debian, and i have no problems with su

why is su a module? is it a “su” module?

done that in both slackware, gentoo and debian

I’d prefer a text-based, but that ain’t gonna happen.

try groupadd wheel

I can su by default.. no need for agroup called wheel

then try it, i bet it works

grep ‘member of group root’ /etc/pam.d/su -A7

try my way first, i bet it works

usually, you can su by default

useradd -g users -m newuser that’s how i add user

it’s sudo that needs modification if you want to use

he wasn’t talking about ’sudo’.

I know, but su works by default no need for additional groups in debian

I’ve never had a problem adding a user to grup wheel, and ive used many Linux distros did ut name sued to be speedygigz ? s/sued/used/

ok i got it this is not right

which way worked?

user are not supposed to be default to su

they arent.

nono, it was enabled by default, i need not add them to wheel

Unless the only user on the system is you.

nope

in bsd, if i want to let user to use su, i have to add user to primary group user first, then secondary groups wheel, otherwise user won’t be able to su

this isnt bsd

when i first installed debian i didnt add any users, and i forgot to add myself to user group wheel, and it didnt not let me use su, so i know thats a bs

anyway, time for coffee.. bbl

im not talking about bsd or linux it’s the way it’s handled in debian is wrong

debian is linux

does anyone know of an installer/livecd with both evms AND debootstrap on it? I want to install debian onto an existing evms volume set, but there doesn’t appear to be an evms-udeb available. And I’m not getting much help from #debian-boot on irc.debian.org

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