who should sid ?

me for the advices.

bye all

that is who should use sid?

thanks for the advices.

i recently installed the latest kernel from sid, i normally use testing but I can’t get NVIDIA to work with 2.6.21-2-686 I have to go with the .22

sid ?

just get the sid kernel, you dont need to use sid

its just that I have been using a lot of the programming packages from sid also because lenny has older one’s and its nice to use deb vs. svn/cvs if I can get away with it

Hi, I have been having troubles with X since a few days ago. Some of my X apps seem to randomly segfault / abort (ran strace to see signal), mainly xfce-session and iceweasel, but epiphany and amarok have done it as well. I thought it was the nvidia closed driver, but I am using nv now and getting the same effect. Any ideas? / How would I collect info for a bug report?

if you open iceweasel in a browser what kind of nasty garbage does it feed you? s/browser/terminal sorry

If I open iceweasel it runs for me bit and then dies with “Segmentation fault” Not sure how to gdb it for a backtrace.

is it OK to do a dist-upgrade to unstable right after installing a fresh 4.0 stable?

sure

what a waste

or should I first remove certain packages to avoid dependency issues?

if you have to ask you probably shouldnt use unstable at all

lol, yeah

!tell eallik about etch-lenny

but beyond that, just run dist-upgrade, there’s nothing specific, only the general fact that sid is permanently in a state of flux and anything may happen ubut beyond that, just run dist-upgrade, there’s nothing specific, only the general fact that sid is permanently in a state of flux and anything may happen/u

if you really must do safe-upgrade first!!

Oh, I just ran strace iceweasel and this time it aborted and froze with “futex(0×2b85106ac9a0, FUTEX_WAIT, 2, NULL” while trying to clean up after itself before exiting. I am running Debian Sid on x86_64 SMP.

actually the dist-upgrade was a success with the exception that I got a “W: couldn’t stat source package list http://security.debian.org unstable/updates/main …”

its interesting that its happening across the board on your box, from a KDE application to iceweasel, to epiphany ?

see if it happens if you remove your extensions/plugins

there are no security updates for sid

iceweasel -safe-mode runs a bit longer before dying in the same way. (Long enough to actually do something.)

so I should just remove the security updates line from sources.list?

Is there an equivalent for badblocks for ntfs or vfat partitions?

Does anyone know what the debian solution for apache2 auth against a nis database is?

have you checked the bts?

bts?

!tell aebonyne about bts

I guess so, if you are going this rout, or just use # infront of the lines

ah, I will look

did you upgrade recently?

lol, thanks, btw I know how to uncomment stuff I’m just not too familiar with Debian

Yeah, this started after an upgrade sometime after xorg 7.3 came out and before I upgraded to it.

have you upgraded after the time you had problems?

yes

if you aren’t too familiar with debian you probably don’t want to be running unstable

so there is nothing more for you to upgrade?

I am fully dist-upgraded right now.

and you have restarted your machine?

I thought the problem was a conflict between new xorg stuff and the old nvidia driver because there are forum posts about similar symptoms from that. Yes.

how do I detect the currently running version of Debian?

Sometimes it freezes and I either have to do alt+sysreq or even that does not work and I hit the reset button.

what do you mean by currently running version

!version

uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try –version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy packagename, or lsb_release -a

cat /etc/debian_version ?

compare libc6 to available versions on http://packages.debian.org/libc6

is it stable, unstable or testing

sounds like an IRQ problem? well I get to reboot into my nice new 2.6.22-686 with Nvidia, cross the fingers, working best

look at /etc/apt/sources.list

he just edited that

I just want to detect if the dist upgrade was successful I guess if I got no error messages, it must have been OK /etc/debian_version gives me lenny/sid, so I should be on unstable now libc6 is 2.6.1-5

is there a hardware compatibility list for debian? I’m spec’ing out new server hardware and want to make sure everything on the list is supported i checked debian.org but didn’t see one

presumably it would be the same as the compatibility for any Linux distro.

not necessarily

mostly, I know there is some dissimilarity when 3rd-party packages are concerned

okay

lots of distros patch in all sorts of unstable drivers into the kernel and/or include proprietary drivers

hey all

neither of these will be in debian

is there a way to see the packet text

not to mention packages where Debian’s version is older because the maintainer is behind

me / and my dev. partner both need to be able to write stuff to /var/www - we both have a normal user account, should i add ourself to either ‘admin’ or ‘wheel’, and then chown the /var/www as that group?

i heard about tethereal but i cannot find it

well, things like the newer motherboards from supermicro, the quad-core intel chips (Xeon’s, Core2Duo’s, etc.)

hi

Can anyone tell me if having approximately 6GB used on a freshly formatted 400GB disk using ext3 is normal?

motherboards and processors are rarely an issue (as far as I know)….

space is reserved for root

i’m quite sure that SATA drives are supported and that’s pretty much all that’s going into this new machine besides memory, a motherboard and processors plb, whether or not it will work is one thing, whether or not they are fully supported to take advantage of all they offer is another

as far as linux web hosting is concerned a quad core is no different from two dual cores or four single cores

I used -m 0 “0 blocks (0.00%) reserved for the super user”

spooforbrains, what do you mean by “used”?

in any event the sid kernel is working with Nvidia, so that is nice - although it isn’t open source .

plb, ok, well that solves the processor discussion. how about the motherboard and all the features like the LAN ports, USB ports, etc.

a lot of space will be taken up by filesystem structures but that does not get included in the output of “df”

ok, I created the partition initially using gparted. Then when I was told about ext3 reserving space for superuser I ran the make2fs command manually with the -m 0 switch

USB should not be an issue.. LAN is going to depend on the chipset it uses and the best bet is just search.. some LAN don’t have kernel-space support but do have user-space support (the broadcom adapter in my laptop comes to mind)

admittedly I didn’t delete the partition first

http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ is a good starting place

any linux god that can answer my question?

plb, ok thanks. here’s another question. all of these new processors seem to be 64-bit. i don’t really want to run a 64-bit OS and have to deal with whether or not certain software is available in 64-bit format. what do you suggest?

use 32bit

huh. gparted: size 372.61GiB used 6.04GiB unused 366.57GiB

petemc, ok, so i can use 32-bit even with 64-bit processors right?

yup

plb, that hardware list is ancient petemc, ok are there any suggestions for what to purchase as far as motherboards and processors go?

/dev/hde1 size:367G used: 195M free: 367G

i know we want ECC memory to be supported but the wierd thing is i’ve got a very old server running right now on dual PIII 550’s and the processors are 95% free most times

hello

so is that discrepancy accounted for by file system overhead? 6GB is a LOT of overhead!

how to build mailx from source? there is not README file

the memory gets significant useage but we’re only running some websites, pgsql, mysql, and zope that’s all we’ll be doing on this new box

I might have just transfered sensitive information over an ssh pipe, would there be any logs of the ssh session on my current terminal (public) that I should be aware of? or does ssh not log through bash to any files?

i just want to make sure we have another 10 years on this new server like we’ve had on the last one. and hopefully things will run even faster with the newer technology (although they are pretty speedy right now)

processor is not a big issue for most serving applications (except J2EE)

I usually just gather a list of motherboards that are close to what I want and look at what chipsets are on the board and google for anyone needing support with those boards and seeing if anyone has had problems. If nothing shows up, then maybe it works perfectly or no one has tried.

until a year ago my Research Lab was running our web off of a Sparc 15

plb, exactly my point bhundven, ok, good idea. what are you using on your latest higher end server?

well. the company I work for makes vpn appliances, so I typically reuse their hardware (it’s cheaper for me). but I usually go with supermicro boards or intel boxed boards

So, I got iceweasel to run in gdb (iceweasel –debugger gdb) and… it is not crashing now. This bug hates me.

bhundven, ok, i was going with supermicro so that’s cool

how about for processing. do i go Xeon or Core2Duo?

either should be fine

you go for a Xeon if you need to do SMP

core2duo is a specific cpu, xeon is intel server cpu brand

if you’re fine with core multiplexing on one DIE, you go Core 2 Duo

yea. I’d suggest xeon, but on a budget, the core2duo should be fine

if you want to do symmetric processing on a larger scale, say, 8 cores plus, AMD’s K8 beats the crap out of the Xeon though

hehe

GNU\colossus, yeah I know but I’m trying to gauge this by the fact that dual P3 550’s are running just fine with lots of headroom at the moment bhundven, i suppose i don’t need to worry about multiple processors since these have two cores right?

then AMD is your best bet, really. much more energy efficient when idle.

a single Xeon 3000 series should be fine

what is that 2 s10 kernel: mail[14290] trap divide error rip:2ba0d5162f1a rsp:7fffd594e640

GNU\colossus, ok, what motherboard do you suggest if I went the AMD route

well, a dual core CPU has 2 cores, but no more. you can have 8way dual core systems from AMD, and at least 2way quad-cores from intel by now.

i want to buy a amd athlon 64 X2 6000+, anybody using this cpu?

is there any reason debian/etch wouldn’t see a second ide drive in a thinkpad dock with a tp42p

well, right now, something powered by nvidia nforce is the safest bet. go for Tyan as the manufacturer if you can.

Was it there when you booted?

basically if I install a package using aptitude, then all the packages that will be installed as dependencies will be marked auto and will be removed again once nothing depends on theme? them*

I’m not hot plugging anything

I’musing a X2 4400+; they only differ in clockspeed and cachesize it’s a very nie CPU after all

yes

nice*

cool

yes, and the same is true of apt-get as of .7

everything else in the dock seems to be seen, usb drives work, pcmcia scsi card works.

there’s even a chance that a brand new AMD dualcore system will consume less energy when idle than your Dual PIII system is now

the drive will work if it’s moved to the laptop proper

whilst providing vastly superior performance when needed, of course

GNU\colossus: runs it fast and stable?

as stable as any recommendable CPU I’ve had, yeah.

GNU\colossus: are u using intel too?

performance is very satisfying, too

GNU\colossus: without a doubt it will use less energy

yes, I do sit in front of an Intel Core 2 Duo right now

who build the better cpus actually?

that’s not that easy to say

a friend said

Intel got more performance per watt when under full load AMD the better overall energy footprint

intel need lesser energy and 30% better in all benchmarks

well, that’s grossly oversimplified

There we go, I got iceeweasel crashing in the debugger now… with no debugging symbols.

only at peak, at idle AMD is better

it’s true that Intel’s core architecture is faster per clock than AMD’s hammer architecture however, it also consumes more power per clock than the hammer

for power comsumption that is

hi there, if i have a directory and want files created inside it to have certain permissions, i have to use UUIDs?

you probably want to set your umask UUIDs are wholly different beasts

i see

(warning this is an ex-Intel employee speaking) my opinion is the two go back and forth almost quarterly

thanks a lot

generally identifieng some kind of resource (like, a filesystem or md-device)

GNU\colossus: oh, that’s were i missed it… umasks, not UUIDs, thanks

AMD’s new Phenom architecture offers better performance/clock and /watt again, btw but it’s not released to the public as of now and Intel’s next beasts are waiting around the corner

GNU\colossus: how can i set the umask of a directory so when i create a file inside it, it will have permissions 664 and if i create a dir it will have permissions 775, and all groups set to for example group “webadmin” ?

hehe… and then a quarter after that AMD will be back on top and so on and son

you cannot set a umask on a per-directory basis automagically, you’d need to manually interfere.

ls -al opos haha

you can’t set a umask for a single directory, you can only set umask per environment. for group, set the group sticky bit (g+s) on the directory

you can create file with the group-ownership of a group you’re member of by using `chgrp`

hey stew is there a way tochange the adres and PTP in my client vpn ?

well, mor correctly, change the group-owner by using chgrp

GNU\colossus: you mean newgrp GNU\colossus: newgrp for newly created files, chgrp to change one after it is created

yup, positive (for the first of my statements at least)

i don’t know of one

gah, what is one of those sites for linking to text so I don’t flood? I just got a Kernel oops and I have no idea what part is important.

you dont know of one? O_O

aebonyne rafb.net/paste

http://rafb.net/p/Lct0wc93.html

the following situation… i’ve set the permissions of my www dir to rwxrwxr-x, owner: root, group: webadmins, i have 2 users that i added to group webadmin… now, when i create a file it set’s it’s owner to usernumberone, it’s group to usernumberone, and it doesn’t give write permissions to the group, so usernumber2 can’t modify the file

good night

“chmod g+s www” to fix the group ownership. run “umask 002″ before you create the file in order to fix the permissions by “fix the group ownership, i mean make it so that files created in the future will automatically be owned by the same goup as the dir they are in

when i create a file from usernumberone inside /var/www (and only inside /var/www), it creates it with owner: usernuberone, group webadmins, and permissions for group to write?

run “chmod g+s /var/www” ; run “umask 002″ before you create a file

ok, thank you stew

you cannot force the files to be group writable, that is up to the person creating the file

if i pipe a “tail -f” to a less like this tail -f /var/log/everything | less, will the less continue to be feeded by the pipe ? or will it only show the initial lines produced by tail -f ?

so if i use an ftp server, i set the umask variable in the config file to 002?

GNU\colossus, how about the Tyan n3400b with the AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ 3ghz?

yes

a nice combination

i want to install debian etch, i have windows with C and D partition and i want to install debian on C partition.Can i keep D disk becouse there i have data ?

GNU\colossus, cool, what 2U rackmount chassis do you recommend to go with that?

it worked, now files created have write permissions for groups, can i specify with what owner-group will files be created? for example i want it to be created with other than my user’s group (with another one i’m member of)

bye

we use chenbro and chieftec both are quite fine

You can, just be carefull when you choose partitions to install too. And do have some backups before you start if you are unsure. You do realise that windows will be gone if you install debian in the “C” drive thu, but that wont matter Im guessing

!tell me about doesn’t work

Hi, I have a problem getting the second nic to initialize in a server after upgrade to etch. Anyone here who was working with me on this an hour ago?

for files created by the ftp server?

widrone, it`s for friend`s PC, i already have debian system

yes, mostly ftp (sometimes we use SSH too)

from ssh, you can run “newgrp groupname” before you create the file.

Just be sure to know what partiotion is assigned to c/d in the windows world of his/hers then, so you dont end up nuking all the personal data. But its not that hard if you just go slow… If you got the know about pertitions and how disks are mounted etc you should have no problem. Partitions that is

widrone, i must to found some guide to configure partitions

I have etch, is it possible to install gnome 2.20?

!wiki debian

Error: “wiki” is not a valid command.

compile it by hand

how ? I found gnome to download

get the sources, read the manual

is there many files

First use the tools in windows to see what partition is linked to c and d. Im guessing c is hda1 and D is hda 2.

I downloaded gargnome garnome

and is there a way set the newly created file’s owner-group in proftpd?

no

Just to be safe, but if they are different sizes that could id them asw.

its so dificult

!paste

Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.

S4nD3r, it’s most likely quicker and or easyer to wait for gnome 2.20 to make it in to lenny and upgrade to lenny.

widrone, yes

wait for it to show up on backports.org

ie if the c drive is formated 32g and the d is 60gb then install debian on the 32g and leave the other alone. No mounting and nothing during install, add it to fstab later on.

ummm snif

so if i want a truly shared directory between 2 users, i have to add eachother in eachother’s groups? or tell them to chgrp files?

no, make the directory g+s and owned by a group they ar both in

widrone, ok

haven’t i mentioned this like 4 times

I have bootstrapped from one partition to another on a laptop many times, not a problem

lenny will come just in march?

nobody knows when it will be released

When its ready! (TM)

it is not likely to be as soon as march

Or was that the etch release date, I forget.

widrone, i will see tomorrow

ok then

Cant remember the disktool in windows, but you can pry som info off that to be safe before you start loading di. Good luck!

widrone, ty

And use the time to tell your friend about backups! (Even real men should do that)

thank you very much for your help, it works fine

widrone, ofcourse; friend wants to have linux any case, and no any more windows, to keep wishes for only partition D with data

how can i check how much memory i have/in use

when i do apt-get source, to where does it download the source?

free?

ljlolel, the current dir.

yea whstever how much mem i got

oh wow haha, thanks

ljlolel, it works as a normal user.

dmidecode !info dmidecode

(Dump Desktop Management Interface data), section utils, is important. Version: 2.9-1 (sid), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 168 kB

to . ls -al /proc/kcore and you know and you can check how much is in use with “free” (note you NEVER have free memory, free memory is wasted memory)

http://pastebin.ca/714030

oh so the memory just gets redistributed

Where can I specify what locales to use? (so I can write swedish/special characters on IRC :P)

!tell Zelest about locales

thanks

memory not used by programs is automatically diskcache

what should I do?

is there some trick (kernel command line needs = ???) to getting a third ide interface to work (/dev/hde, /dev/hdf)?

dmidecode -t memory

yes. load the driver for it

how would the third ide interface be any different than the first or second, driver wise?

ta wols im having a good look in the proc folder too

dmesg should have it loading the module and detecting the disk, if it iant in there maybe you got different hw on the 2nd ide controller (/dev/hde-h)

I don’t know any IDE chip that has more than 2 interfaces. which means a mobo maker has to put an addiotnal chip on the mobo and since the first is in the southbridge, they certainly won’t add another southbridge eevn if they could which they can’t anyways

a thinkpad in a dock has 3 ide interfaces.

Ah, you got a dock with ide in it I recon then.

might as well be but no intel chipset has 3 interfaces nowadays they don’t even have 1

Thinkpad t?

which means it’s a chip from a different vendor which means you need a different driver

tp42p

lspci should help you to decide which

try thinkwiki.org maybe, they got good hw info on what in them. Or the http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/ibm.html for all the links if that turns up empty.

you win a cookie. It’s a silicon image chip, and the driver isn’t in my kernel. Nuts. Stupid mistake on my part. Thanks.

I’m trying to install a package in ubuntu using a chroot (I’m in debian)… apt doesn’t seem to like it, is there something else I have to do, like populate the /dev/ list?

you cannot install ubuntu packages in debian. well you can but it’s not supported ^^

well, I installed a package on ubuntu called kwlan with removed NetworkManager and I didn’t catch it… so before I know it, I don’t have network access and the only way to reinstall NetworkManager is to get network access

’shred uvfz’ is not working here

why is ubuntu so retarded?

ask them

anybody got a hints for this? do i need to use find / grep / pipes of whatever to solve this? help highly appreciated

if I chroot and then run apt-get, does it run /bin/apt-get or /path/to/chroot/bin/apt-get? and more significantly, does it use the debian sources list or the ubuntu sources list?

??

C compiler cannot create executables”, any ideas?

install build-essential

cool, i’ll try that, i guess having gcc isn’t enough i think i needed g++ thanks

find /some/path -type f | xargs shred uvfz

is there anybody here using an updated debian sid+kde?

maybe, maybe not

i’m using sid and have konq and kword installed but otherwise i don’t use kde i just find kword actually usable, unlike ooo

I’m using it and flash doesn’t work to me with konqueror (and nspluguinview gets the 100PU)

ah

100% of the CPU

i dont use proprietary plugins so i wouldnt know

since the last upgrade

if i reformat my main partition into 2 and install xp on the second bit will it overwrite the mbr and ill only be able to boot into windows

sine, maybe, i dunno

yes

anyone know a good wireless network manager that i could use with xfce

but you can boot your debian from a boot cd or floppy and then rerun grub or lilo

yes but you can fix that

btw

doh

win usually nuke the mbr, just install linux and grub afterwards.

thanks

some bios have an option to write-protect the mbr, don’t they?

$find . -type f -execdir shred -uvfz ‘{}’ \;

they often call it ‘virus protection’ i think

yes but you can fix that, damn tab key

i lost the password of my old nickname in freenode…..is there a way of restore it…

im going to reinstall debian again

piukeman, if your email is registered you can have it emailed to you i think…

no need to reinstall,less you want to of course

well i suppose not

dalias, yes my mail is registered…… do you know the way ……to do this

i can repartition the main drive from within linux hosting ?

join the support channel and ask them sorry i don’t know the answer myself

or do i have to reboot into partition prog

i have an interesting issue on my laptop. When i login to gnome i can change my wireless settings and what not through the gui. however if i try to bring that iface up and down via ‘ifup’ on the command line it says the iface doesn’t exist. I could always manage my wireless card on the command line with previous versions of debian

thats is usually a good idea, linux tools are probably to be prefered.

i would like to reinstall debian again, basically i want to understand grub and the mbr

anybody know the way of restoring a passowrd of a nickname ……(freenode.net)

ask in #freenode

Ronin, thanks

“/stats p” will list on-duty staff, /msg a staff member

i’ve used one in the past that was on a knoppix cd, i think it was qtparted. worked well

read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian

if i reinstall debian i can go through the partitioning process and leave a partition as ntfs and then isntall xp on it afterwards?

anyone know what power supply wattage i should be using with the amd athlon 64 x2 dual core cpu and tyan atx motherboard? 600w? 550w?

yes. its recommended to install xp first so that linux overwrites the xp bootloader and not vice-versa

You can partition off a segment and leave it for the win install, maybe you can get it to foramt and install to that. But I dont think a debian installer can make you a ntfs partition.

sure it can

can I go back to the installer after I am already done installing?

no, but why do you want to?

i was going to say it can do the other bells and whistles but not parition some hd space with ntfs !

it installed lilo instead of grub

Ah, my latest di experience has been with arm low mem for the last years. Not needed to reinstall any of my other debian machines in a long time…

did you put / on raid or lvm?

yes, raid1

then you can’t use grub, and the installer knew this if you create a separate /boot that isn’t on raid, then you can use grub

is there a way to do it with menus now or do I have to start over for that?

Thanks for that tidbit, nice to know next time I am on a conversion path with my friends.

gonna go for a reboot and check bios anyway brb

d-i can create the ntfs parittion, but can’t do anything with ntfs the filesystem no, there is no way to do it with menus. do you have unpartitioned free space on the drive now?

no, I was planning on stealing it from a swap

Ah, create a partition and mark it as sutch indeed. But do di know to mkfs.ntfs?

I’m having some problems with my sound and I am told that the new alsa should fix this, but the alsa in http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/ is even older then the one in etch ?!? How is this possible ?

no, no mkfs.ntfs

hi

Which is recommended for scripting, mktemp or tempfile?

Figure, thanks for clearing that up for me. Didnt think about the “set type 07″ when partitioning.

thnx stew the nsswitch.conf was the problem…

How can I find out whats wrong with my cdburner?

Start with some logs maybe, what wont it do?

widrone, it dosnt work to burn or watch any cd’s/dvd’s its a sata dvd burner

do u run the burn program as root?

does the kernel recongize your drive?

look if it as root works

Hi I had to delete my old root partition by hand and to copy the files over to the new one. Basically everything went well, except for some minor flaw: Nautilus is now showing some strange “8.8 GB Volume” (which is my new root) next to my CD drives, FAT partitions, etc. I guess that Icon shouldnt be there (as there are also none for my other /boot, /home, etc partitions). how can I get rid of it again?

“I have no name!@computer:~$” ldap.conf: http://nopaste.org/p/aZCxNFAEU libnss-ldap: http://nopaste.org/p/a4B3PPTUu pam_ldap: http://nopaste.org/p/aoylUyL78 pam.d/common-*: http://nopaste.org/p/asBAdYNRQ slapd.conf http://nopaste.org/p/ahP425Vhbb nss ldap http://nopaste.org/p/aqbYnSUzV isnt availaible… nsswitch.conf: http://nopaste.org/p/a3broU8Yrb

thought it was some HAL problem, but the HAL guys have sent me here (”bug with your distro”)

a more concrete explanation could be useful… like what did you try with the hal guys and at what point did they conclude hal was working ok. It could be gnome’s own caching the filesystems somewhere.

jelly-home: tried nothing reallly. they (some guy) have just sent me here

for example, if you use xfce or kde, do they see the extra volume too?

dont have kde or xfce no problem with my user settings tho I’ve tried it with another ser ser user same back.

did they at least say it was a known issue with some distros?

hi, i can’t figure out for the life of me where xdm calls the window manager. /etc/X11/Xsession makes no mention of it, and that’s definitedly the Xsession file being used by xdm

try gdm

was the other user newly created, or did it exist (and run gnome) with the old root fs too?

do u wanna run some software with ur window manager start, huh? like a panel u have to look in ur home directory

are you just trying to learn about things, or have a problem running something?

this is mainly out of interest…

!u

Damnit Jim! It’s YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for ‘you’ (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201

ok

jelly-home: newly created

well, i’m also modifying my wm for various tasks, and in doing so getting an overall knowledge of how x/xdm/wm operate together.

jelly-home: no didnt say anything about a known issue

no .xsession or .Xsession in home dir. just errors and auth

did you see that /etc/X11/Xsession also sources some other files (mainly, those in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/)?

Can anyone tell me please hoe to reset the “places” pane in nautilus - half of the things there I click on and get a nasty “can not mount” error even though they are mounted.

iam using etch and i have a .xsession in my home, and run pypanel and hotkeys with my windowmanager from this file

“grep x-window-manager /etc/X11/Xsession.d/*” might yield interesting results.

yeah, i couldn’t really figure them out though. i searched them with grep for “ion”, “ion2″ and came up with nothing.

how would I rename all files in a directory to .filename?

It’s been a while since I installed Debian… Like since potato. I still need only the first CD to make a basic install?

well, it would be kind of dumb for it to have all the possible wms hardcoded somewhere…

did you look at the business card installers?

now what’s that

jelly-home: oh, absolutely.. x has enough hardcode as it is as far as i can tell. surely there’s a config file that links x-window-manager to a specific wm?

/usr/bin/x-window-manager is a symlink, managed by the “alternatives” system.

jelly-home: ah, so i see jelly-home: and away i go off on another exploratory tangent…

man update-alternatives … for example, update-alternatives –config x-window-manager lets you choose the default (if you have multiple alternatives installed)

jelly-home: yeah i think i saw mention of pwm2 or some-such along the way. cheers

google is your friend ….. http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/

i am trying to install freenx, the repo that dpkg gave me is unresponsive, anyone know where i can get freenx packages?

anybody knows a good howto about dump/restore? in german maybe? :o))

!de

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looks like the business-card and netinst isn’t available for “testing” could I just install a base system and change apt sources to testing and do a apt-get dist-upgrade?

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Cheapest tomcat

 

okay

/msg dpkg sid faq

there are snapshot images at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/

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okay, streuner

is there a tickless kernel build for amd64?

hey all! recommend a vmtool?

No, not yet I think that’s supposed to be in .23 or .24 VMware, Xen, qemu, VirtualBox

Wyzard, yea but which one is best? Is there a virtual harddrive format/file that is compatible with all of them so I dont need to like create a sh’tload of different ones for each app if i decide to use them all?

no, its so far, impossible

oh, ok

it was disabled in the kernel.org kernels becuase there are still bugs to be worked out in 64 bit

hi all. I have an Windows like Print Server. How to configure the Debian to print in this machine ? The printer is an HP LaserJet 1300 and the Machine have Windows2000

VMware is the most mature and user-friendly, but it’s non-free

ok

VirtualBox is kinda like VMware, and free, but I don’t think it’s quite as powerful, and the UI is rather ugly

good evening

well, for gaming i guess I shouldnt emulate

Virtualization isn’t a good solution for gaming currently… no 3D acceleration (except some experimental support in VMware that doesn’t work very well)

one main function that it does not share with vmware is that it doesn’t allow you to use a physical disk for the virtual os which I why I sometimes go with vmware

Hi .. new to debian.. trying to figure out when i have a debian box on one network it can’t be accessed from another. Thought it might have been iptables rule, but can’t seem to find any iptables configs on the system. Anyone have any idea where else to look?

Wyzard, thats what i thought..

I like to mount /home in virtual os too

Mount it from where? Not your real /home, I hope… it’s not safe to mount a filesystem from two OSes at the same time

the /home is 500gb disk, 1 partition, with vmware I can use the physical disk as one of the disks used in vmware, and mount it as /home

ok

is it really not safe like this?

It’s fine as long as the VM is the only thing which has that partition mounted

oph yeah

but if it’s the same /home partition used by your host OS, that’s a bad idea

i mean when im in windows that is i don’t use virtualization under linux i have no need i doubt i’ll ever need to run windows in linux in vm

I have some Windows VMs for things like IE-only websites

yup i do web dev at work, and i use my sid machine there, and i don’t have to load it inside linux, we have all windows pc at work thankfully the owner officially started supporting linux clients too in his business virtual box is still a pretty good software I suppose, for free, it works. It gets the job done

ok, well thanks guys, i’ll fix this thing… its a shame im addicted to games :/

I actually am on windows right now, logged into my server using irssi from there

it _almost_ works. More often than not my virtualized XP hangs at boot

I got Doom3 + expansion and oblivion + both expansions right now I mostly only play oblivion though just install windows first, then linux dual boot is the way to go if you are a gamer and also want to use linux, or two machines

Nyle == stoned sup Nyle

vmware-server (costs $0) is still much more stable than vbox IME

if you have a good enough machine, you could also use something like colinux under windows xp, with xming and xdmcp or xming and sshx in fact the latter solution would be best if you need secure linux web hosting functionality within windows, as i dont much care for cygwin, I won’t talk about it you can run debian inside colinux and its great much faster than any vm

hm

!colinux

somebody said colinux was http://colinux.org/. Cooperative Linux is the first working free and open source method for optimally running Linux on Microsoft Windows natively. More generally, Cooperative Linux (short-named coLinux) is a port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine. For instance, it allows one to freely run Linux on Windows 2000/XP, without using a commercial PC …

thanks Nyle, i’ll see what i do

hi I just ran sudo apt-get upgrade and now xserver won’t work, I just got it to run with vesa, but its an intel i845

sure hi

should i try with the Intel or the i810 options?

seems cedega may support a game i wanna game, soon perhaps, we will see, but a win install wouldnt be bad, especially if I need it for school sometimes

cedega is outdated

well I’m going with the Intel,seeing that no one said anythign

it never works on anything except diablo 2

brb hopefully

well it works, but horribly slow

i have a nvidia 6800 something card, intel core 2 duo something.. this laptop cost a fortune

The-Kernel: good thing you waited for an answer

alright, I’m going nuts about this. Does anybody know the exact path icedove takes to invoke a browser?

I think it is probably good with nvidia, as I remember running Painkiller Special Edition inside cedega on a debian sid last year, beautiful, on a p4 3.2ghz 512ram however, now even though I have a core 2 3.5ghz (still thats not important), but now I have a ati x1900xtx with fglrx and cedega/painkiller runs at like literally 1 frame in 5 seconds I can only conclude that it is fglrx doing this, as other people have no problem whome I’ve spoken with about this the ones with nvidia cards, have not come across ati users who play with cedega

/win 1

use meta+1,2,3etc.

lol doesn’t work

by default it is the escape key, Esc + 1

i use mac os x terminal

ok now neither the i810 or the Intel works

i thought you were on irssi

but irssi runs on my debian server and i connect to it using screen

my fault

what should I do?

i am

oh ok

but some nasty bug prevents any ’special’ key from working as soon as i use screen on a remote machine

should I do vesa or vga?

all i can say it’s REALLY annoying

I am not familiar with anything past os 8

especially if u want to /scrollback

I can immagine I have a powerbook 3400c running debian sarge/testing

oh from what i can tell it’s really neat because it’s soooooooooooooooooo completely intuitive… but that screen issue sux

unfortunately I still can’t do X with it some crazy driver issue with the onboard graphics chip

;-( powerbook 3400c is pretty old, isn’t it ?

it does nethack, runs a few services, its good

hehehehehehehe

yes from late 1997

omg

someone gave it to me, so I kept it

it’s late 2007… so that thing must be about 3 years old?

I have my laptop from 1992 as well, CompuAdd machine, 25.33mhz cpu, 386sx, 4mb ram, 80mb hdd still runs great

neat!

Im on irssi in a screen connecting from a Mac, the hell is getting | and meta+7 to work

good for old DOS games!

jelly-home: oh yeah, kings quest baby!

i ordered an external (Wireless) apple keyboard because i thought all the brackets, pipe and stuff would be available on it

and tim too, The incredible machine, you are familiar with TIM jelly-home

heh

?

i was wrong….. i payed hella money for it (as a high price for a keyboard can get) the incredible machein!!!!1 it’s soooooooo schweet.

does anyone know, if the cinelerra debian package contains the origignal cinelerra release from heroine virtual or if it is the community version aka cinelerra-cv?

omg how awesome that game was

thats from my days in 5th-th grade er..

unfortunately no idea ^_^

i am running KDE with lenny, and am happy except that some apps, firefox or pidgin for example, have this really boxy look. is there a setting i can change to make such apps look more qt-ish or kde-ish?

Im not the wireless keyboard guy. Got enough stuff running from batteries here already.

you are in luck aptitude install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt

there’s a qt-gtk plugin that let’s em look more or less like ur qt engine kekekeke Nyle

then go to kcontrolappearancegtk styles

thank you all very much

I would install gtk2-engines-xfce

well… i’m about to sell it unfortunately nobody wants a keyboard that runs exclusively on OS X ;-(

very small package, with lots of good looking gtk themes gtk2 I mean

it _needs_ bluetooth too

I did find some docs online that got me connecting to my debian running screen/irssi without any trouble.

you do know that there is an irssi gui wrapper for os x my coworker uses it

It needs bluetooth yes, but I think its an HID standard in there somewhere.

well…. i haven’t really looked for it…. i guess i should give it a try someday…

I don’t know what it is is called though

it actually is. it *does* work with one specific driver on Windows XP. unfortunately that driver is bound to a specific class (namely from teh same manufacturer) of bluetooth dongles mine does not work with that driver… it does work on os x though…. i guess i can use it when i finally got an apple tv hacked to be an OS X computer connect the usb-bluetooth dongle: there u go wireless mouse&keyboard obtaining the hardware is the biggest problem as of now if the keyboard was supported by linux i’d run debian on it

I would like to run debian on my gameboy advance sp

hehe

right now its only got some crappy windows lookalike os

hmm, i cannot find gtk2-engines-gtk-qt, says it has no installation candidate

can you run debian on a TI89 ?

oh hm

where can I re configure my XOrg resolutions ?

!info gtk2-engines-gtk-qt

I mean not manually

!info gtk2-engines-gtk-qt etch

.7-4 (etch), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 36

because not having a bash shell is the only thing that i don’t like about my TI 89

hmm its in etch, but not in lenny/sid

ok, that is the reason

just tod this then apt-get install xfce4-mcs-manager xfce4-mcs-plugins gtk2-engines-xfce this will install a very minimal and very light weight xfce control panel

ty much again

you launch it by doing the binary command xfce-setting-show

where can I re configure my XOrg resolutions ?, not manually

in the settings, just click User Interface button, and configure theme, font, anti aliasing in the settings, just click User Interface button, and configure theme, font, anti aliasing whatever you want

Very lightweight, makes you talk squeaky.

how can I add new resolutions to xorg.conf not manully ?

dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg

thanks that ’s what I was looking for

sleep nao. Nini

for a very minimal approach, you can install gtk-theme-switch and type ’switch’ for changing gtk1 themes, or ’switch2′ for gtk2 themes i would go with the minimal xfce control panel option, as it is much more better, at the expese of a few extra packages still within few mb

xfce’s panel has some issues with the desktop pager when using compiz… u got by any chance any idea howto resolve that

don’t use it

compiz or the pager ?

pager as xfce pager has no more meaning

but i need it so what should i use ?

since the cube/desktop plugins in compiz are loaded they take over unload those beryl/compiz modules and maybe xfce pager will work

is there any way of getting a wm to reload config files without restarting the x client?

yes…. but gnome-panel’s pager does the job just fine too….

dunno, I don’t mess with that stuff I’m a simple kde/blackbox user well, flux

that’s possible, only by deactivating desktopwall/cube and that’s what i use compiz for. i use it for desktop wall and all the other effect’s are turned off

then you are out of luck, no need for a pager, use mousewheel on desktop to spin the cube back and forth i do this in kde, mouswhell on desktop changes workspaces its a very nice-a

xfce4-panel works fine here with compiz

do you have to use a desktop environment such as kde or gnome to be able to print to your root background?

pager, not panel come again?

the pager behaves correctly here with a 3×3 viewport wall

I had to disable the cube if I wanted the workspaces to be arranged in two dimensions

the panel works fine here too…. only problem is its pager

ok, then guide the man as I previously mentioned I don’t use compiz

I’m on testing here, BTW oh, missed that

if i’m telling u what im on here too u’d kill me

basically having some the functionality of a desktop with a simple wm such as ion

eh?

nevermind

dunno ion, but good luck with it you defition of a desktop?

ion is non-free now

you’re on ubuntu or some such abomination?

crack?

psssst jelly-home: exactly!!!!1

you want icons, you want mouseless? you want a minimal functional desktop/wm or something with frills

lol.

you decide, you pick

minimal desktop

typically a desktop consists of a taskbar with desktop icons and a window manager

you could just run kdesktop with ion

mhhh…. creating an entirely custom desktop is one of teh schweetest thing about debian, or linux in general

if all you want is icons and such

try openbox er.. not sinizzl

kukukuku

try any box wm, or icewm or actually here !xwinman

methinks xwinman is URL:http://www.PLiG.org/xwinman/

go here and look at the diff kinds of wm pick one you like and try it out

Nyle:cheers, probably should figure out exactly what it is i want first.

that would be helpful jelly-home: 2d pager?

i have always used exclusively stable version, never even tried testing… how much more up to date is it compared to stable ?

just trying to keep it as simple as possible, adding functionality as i need it instead of getting one ‘does everything’ app.

jelly-home: may I inquire as to what you use for your desktop?

workspaces arranged in a 2d grid 3×3 at present

word

(yes, in over 5 years of debian i never tried testing)

I am using blackbox on windows xp

lol how;s that possible? cygwin ?

started with 2×2 on fvwm1 and expanded over the years

I have a few kde apps running through xdmcp on my trusted network Xming is the freaking shizboo

what software to use for xp virtualization?

shizboo?

*mwah* !vm

it has been said that vm is at http://www.wonderworks.com/vm/

qemu or even better, kqemu runs xp like a dream

running xp in linux, or the opposite?

virtualbox, vmware, qemu, bochs, etc. etc.

it’s nice but the mouse won’t work with 2.6.21 kernel

u dont even notice its virtualized the only computer i got that can run (k)qemu is a macbook running ubuntu gutsy

jelly-home: g*d forbit the opposite

I use vmware-server and virtualbox, those seem to be most user friendly (for $0)

jelly-home: are they in any debian repos? vmware is for windoz

negative… virtualbox has their own debs though

hmm

and it could be packaged if someone bothered

jelly-home: hmm, sweet

getting new kernel and try it with qemu ?

vmware-server is more stable IME

virtual box got their own debian/ubuntu repos I think, have a look at their page.

i could never get it working with 2.6.20 nor 2.6.21 on lenny

also, virtualbox doesn’t support 64bit guests yet (vmware does)

was this with a custom kernel ?

jelly-home: is there a deb for vmware? nope , debian stock

no, but their installer is reasonable

mhhh

jelly-home: does it need root access?

it does, modules need to be built

it works flawlessly here with a custom kernel…. it’s not that custom since it’s a macbook-tuned .config i got from gentoo-wiki.com and tweaked it a little to my needs… i can even used my simulated right-mouse-button within windows xp -d

jelly-home: don’t really trust these third pary modules, might make the system less stable s/pary/party

been running it for 3 years now

even if they’re gpl ?

thats a retorical question

hm, are vmmon and vmnet gpled?

jelly-home: i dunno

why did you ask it then?

my gpl-driver powered rt2570 is not in debian stock kernel (etch) but the system’s been running flawlessly for months

as long as the source is available , play ball I say

31/printers/hp5550 how do I print to this printer from my laptop(running

so i dont really get why the drivers are not in the vanilla kernel

apt-cache search ralink it is in etch afaik

i installed it already but it’s not in the vanilla sources nor is it by default available due to some stability issues i use it with hostapd cvs and created an access point

configure your system to print to a cups printer

it’s been running perfectly stables for months now….

how?

ok i fixed the login name problem. but i cant change the password passwd: Authentication token manipulation error

only with WEP encryption though… never really bothered about that WPA thingy

I know how to do that in say, gnome, but I don’t have any heavy de’s installed on this lappy

install cups client and go from there man cups

there’s always the standard cups interface at http://localhost:631/

i installed the small xfce panel for changing the user interface settings (i am running KDE/lenny), but i still have not seen how to change the look of apps like firefox and pidgin to fit better with KDE… any recommendations? i may be out of luck using lenny

you should be able to log in to it as root and add your remote cups printer gtk-qt-engine?

jelly-home: cool,

I see the news headlines in slashdot 2012. gtk 4.0 and qt 7 merged to qtk.

I installed gtk-qt-engine and gtk-chtheme (only in testing/unstable, sorry) and changed the GTK2 theme to the one called “Qt”

jelly-home: that appears to be it…i’ll give it a try

the engine is buggy for some people it works for me. konqueror, xchat and xfce look reasonably alike

jelly-home: yes, i just tried it and that is what i was looking for, ty

wow! zounds that was easy!

i need help. My TRS80 wont boot from the Fedora Live Disk i made. Can anyone help?

windows will have speech interface that works and gestures… like closing the window with the middle finger gesture. !penixstrike SuperFreak

A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking SuperFreak to the ground and leaving a large wet spot.

yeah dpkg? Well i left a wetspot on your moms leg and *boom* there you were

Hello. Invoking jack with jack -d alsa i get an error: ALSA: cannot configure channel. Why?

you’re here just in time to preemptively silence a troll! You’ll recognize him by the next line he writes.

hello

anyone help me install my windows vista ultimate? cuz i want the ultimate windows experience hi

hahahah jelly-home

jelly-home heh

i know a linux command that makes windows run a lot better try this superfreak

we all know how linux ripped off bill gates windows 98 holland edition

boot up a linux cd or rescue disk and run “mke2fs /dev/hda”

fuck that

errm /dev/hda1

i know what that does you hole

hello, I’m usign transparent proxy, but now I can’t see the apache from my lan… help?

do you have a debian related question?

/dev/hda would do quite nicely

that is because it is transparent im installing it on my 386 sx16 with my 8 megs of super fast simm ram

jelly-home: the 80s have a LOT to answer for

you’ve been silenced for 10 minutes. please keep it on-topic in the future

I can’t touch that.

amphi, well i wanted to give some useful advice

and with http://xkcd.com/108/ I close that reference.

not just ruin his hdd

no ideas about a not-starting jack with alsa?

I did the 80s, even saw the hammer live. Still after all this time its burned in my mind.

poor soul

Hey, welcome back.

hiya

i ran a aptitude purge on phpmyadmin, it also deleted all but the base apache2, now i’ve reinstalled all the php modules, but whenever a web browser tries to get a php page, it tries to download it

I’m running sid, and I have cups and gutenprint installed, but using kprint when I go to add my printer, I have no option of adding a local queue … my printer is a canon i560, communicating via USB … are there any suggestions as to how I can get this to work?

hi, i just unzipped a ttf font into my homedir, and was meandering around /etc/X11 and they appeared in …X11/fonts/100dpi. a) how did this happen and b) how do i go about telling a particular program to use it…

’sg’ is the generic SCSI driver, is that all you need (plus device) for disk access?

grilled-cheese: “a2enmod php5″

4.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c1030 PCI-X MPT Dual Ultra320 SCSI (rev 08)

grilled-cheese: Maybe mimetypes in apache config?

Well, did the tarball have an absolute path and were you playing as root?

grilled-cheese: Or what its called again, in the section where you tell apache what to do with different filetypes.

you mean /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf, which is enabled when he runs a2enmod php5

httpd.conf

grilled-cheese: not httpd.conf

i like pcp

Slow learner. Not referring to yourself.

grilled-cheese: Listen to stew!

wasn’t root, unzipped relative path…

Hrm. /msg

acually, “unzip file.zip” so dunno about path

cool, thanks stew

I don’t know if zipfiles do absolute paths, but I suspect something else is at hand here.

yeah, i was fairly surprised alright. at the same time, xorg already had the freetype module loaded, but is there a daemon which would have been automatically informed of a new ttf file?

has anybody experienced any problems with phpmyadmin in lenny related to logins?

grilled-cheese: have you checked bts?

needless to say i don’t really know what i’m talking about.

for some reason phpmyadmin fails to login with the mysql root credientials that do work on the command line bts?

!tell grilled-cheese -about bts

oh, the acronym threw me off

apt-listbugs is good to

has anybody had the issue where kdeprint won’t let you choose “local printer” in the “add new printer” wizard, even though the printer in question is pluggend in and turned on? (using cups as the backend)

have you looked at dmesg?

driver loaded but no devices found grilled-cheese, that was for you.

where did that come from, lp or dmesg

it came from dmesg

usb or parrallel

usb

what does CrippsFX anything useful out of lsusb?

is SuperFreak spamming anyone else?

nope, it just says bus001, bus002, and bus003

hmm….

hello

grilled-cheese, oh, for f***k’s sake … I decided to check the connection on the printer end because of that … grilled-cheese, the usb connection was loose on the printer. I hope this works now.

i want to do a network based installation and i want a bleeding edge realese. what should i dowonload?

if he is, report it in #freenode

download bit confused about code names..

sid

grilled-cheese, yeah, that seemed to be the problem.

grilled-cheese: k thx

hey guys, can anyone tell me how to find a list of what packages were added to my system lately?

grilled-cheese, thanks … I don’t think it would have hit me to try lsusb

sometimes everybody gets hit with the clueby4

stew, he seems to have stopped now

grilled-cheese, it’s true

there are backups of package states in /var/backups/

so there is no stated bug report on phpmyadmin related to logins, any ideas?

grilled-cheese: no idea. I don’t generally use php, or phpmyadmin, or mysql. bgrilled-cheese: no idea. I don’t generally use php, or phpmyadmin, or mysql. /b

ok, so brief problem restate to everybody else, any ideas why phpmyadmin would deny a valid mysql root credential?

dalias, go screw…. karsten shut your hole and stew was found tapping his foot in a airport in minnesota….oooohhhhhhh… peace out

…

the fuck?

this is him

oh I was about to say

grilled-cheese: try tracing the code. catch it before it does a login, see if it’s what you expect. Does a sample php script work properly? connect, login, “select 1;”, ?

wtf is going on, stew is being weird but its not him

it’s the excess narcotics in your energy drink

no, I just looked in the window and saw stew2 saying stuff and i thought fo a second it was stew

Dont feed the unfunny troll, let him eat +bs. (plusgood bullshit that is)

From where can i download sid netinst iso?

you can’t sid is never released

why not use stable?

but… you can download the daily build or testing netinst iso and give it kernel boot param priority=low and select that you ant to install sid instead of testing upon mirro selection etc. iirc

So should I install testing and change repositories?

just use stable or testing, just know that sid isn’t supported here. and if you have to ask, then you probably shouldn’t run sid

depends on why you want testing or unstable.

!tell Kesara -about sid faq !dnuts

[dnuts] Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see sid upgrade, or see /msg dpkg sid faq

k.. thx for the explanation

testing is fairly new and not as unstable as stable er.. /as stable/as unstable

Last time I install stable Debain (year ago), gnome version was like outdated..

if you would like better advice, you could maybe answer Supaplex’s sort-of-question then you are in the wrong distro use testing and it will have newer software and would be less stable than stable s/distro/release even etch right now has kinda outdated gnome

how do I write the clock to the BIOS?

man hwclock

hwclock? ok

hi there

hi

ths

whats the latest?

i’m ready for autumn

anything new happening recently in the world of debian ahh yes, seasons changing, I would see my first winter here but its still quite far. I find it to be chillly when its 60F, I like it around 70F. I hear it goes below zero here. That sounds scary

question; does anyone know a bit about runlevels and maybe /etc/inittab ?

ask the real question

I have a computer where in /etc/inittab, the default runlevel is 0 so it boots up till init. which goes into runlevel 0 and shuts down is there a way to override the default runlevel?

Szeraax put the number in the kernel command line

so put something like runlevel=5 in the boot options?

no just 5

in grub? or real command line?

in grub, hit ‘e’ to edit the command line, and put ‘2′ at the end of the command line (the line that has, root=/dev/whatever)

aye. wasnt sure, just wanted to be sure, since normally i do something=value or whatever with it… thanks all

any idea of kopete now listening plugin don’t works with xmms?

I switched from an old 300 dpi printer to a new one. I can’t seem to tell latex (from texlive, on testing) to use 600 dpi — I tried altering /etc/texmf/web2c/mktex.cnf and set BDPI to 600, and recreated the fmt files by reinstalling one of the texlive-base deb files, but no luck, What am I missing? Any TeXperts here?

sup all

why would you not ask in #latex? or doing anything, really

i have an abit nf7-s v2.0 mb that has onboard sound (not the usualy suspect) it actual is an “extra” chip called sound-storm and it does hardware processing….anyhow i dont think linux uses it…it just uses the seperate ac97 codec chip i believe….anyhow again i have 2 seperate creative cards…one is a sb audigy ls and other is a sb live 5.1 anyone have any suggestions as to which i should use

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